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Toyota claims it will double the range of EVs in less than 3 years
FreeThink ^ | June 21, 2023 | By B. David Zarley

Posted on 06/22/2023 7:25:08 AM PDT by Red Badger

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To: bray
The gas engine is the most efficient form of transportation invented.

I think it is beat by diesel and nuclear subs.
41 posted on 06/22/2023 7:57:51 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana ("If you can’t say something nice . . . say the Rosary." [Red Badger])
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To: adorno

Tires will cost more, as EVs eat tires up!................


42 posted on 06/22/2023 7:58:17 AM PDT by Red Badger (Homeless veterans camp in the streets while illegal aliens are put up in hotels.....................)
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To: Red Badger

The real solution is a plug in hybrid with a small IC engine to provide the needed operational flexibility. Toyota is moving in this direction and they will win in the marketplace.


43 posted on 06/22/2023 8:02:14 AM PDT by rdcbn1
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

New disruptive battery technology changes every one of your factors. Lithium batteries were unheard of when nickel cadmium was king, and new technologies will pose different challenges.


44 posted on 06/22/2023 8:07:09 AM PDT by bigbob (Q)
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To: Red Badger

>> Two new bipolar lithium iron phosphate batteries... <<

Great, now my car is manic-depressive...


45 posted on 06/22/2023 8:09:26 AM PDT by dangus ( )
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To: Red Badger

I just got an advertisement for “Fire starter bundles” in my email some kind of fire kits for summertime barbecues and such-

I thought a better firestarter bundle kit woudl be a bundle of lithium batteries and a cheap chinese charging chord lol


46 posted on 06/22/2023 8:13:57 AM PDT by Bob434 (question )
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To: Bob434

Or a Lenovo laptop...................


47 posted on 06/22/2023 8:15:20 AM PDT by Red Badger (Homeless veterans camp in the streets while illegal aliens are put up in hotels.....................)
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To: Red Badger
I'll stay with my 2019 Jeep Grand Cherokee HEMI V8, thankyouverymuch.


48 posted on 06/22/2023 8:20:23 AM PDT by Carriage Hill (A society grows great when old men plant trees, in whose shade they know they will never sit.)
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To: Red Badger; lowbridge
“Your solar panels will pay for themselves in 10 years!”

I don't recommend solar and/or EV's for everybody. But our 2 years of owning solar and 1 year of owning the EV have worked out well for us. If someone lives in the deep south (lots of sun) and does lots of driving (for us it was 26K miles this past year), then it saves money to be as self-sufficient with energy as feasibly possible.

Admittedly, it probably wouldn't work as well if I started the project this year because I would have to pay a much higher interest on the loan I'm paying to pay for the solar and other energy home improvements. But my payback period is looking like 11 years after I installed the first solar equipment, 10 years after we got the EV and upgraded the solar. And that assumes from here on only a 3% inflation rate in energy costs we're avoiding. Obviously if the Dims keep having their way and make energy costs keep rising a lot faster, then the energy project pays for itself sooner.

The point being that the Dims are wrong that it's a one-size-fits-all plan. But at the same time, us conservatives shouldn't dismiss EV's and or solar automatically just because the Dims like them. On a case-by-case basis they may work for your situation. Plus it's a good feeling to do things like drive more and keep our house thermostat set cooler in the summer when the end result is that only 20% of our power has to be bought (the other 80% is supplied by solar).

On top of that, we don't have to look at EV's vs ICE cars as the mutually exclusive decision the Dims make it out to be. Since I'm married and need two cars anyway, my wife and I have one of each to give us diversification on our driving choices for the day. Some trips are best with the EV (i.e. lots of fast chargers, stay at a hotel with a complementary charger so we can wake up to a full "tank", etc.), while other trips are best with the ICE pickup (i.e. few charging options, or maybe the trip involves pickup type chores for extended family or a church service project). The Dims make every argument a mutually exclusive type decision (either you're for this and against that, or for that and against this) to polarize us, when sometimes what's best for the individual or family is a little bit of both. At least for us, that's how the EV or ICE is.

49 posted on 06/22/2023 8:22:21 AM PDT by Tell It Right (1st Thessalonians 5:21 -- Put everything to the test, hold fast to that which is true.)
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To: Dr. Sivana

People cannot afford diesel or nuclear subs.


50 posted on 06/22/2023 8:23:47 AM PDT by bray (Dr Fauxi killed millions)
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To: Red Badger

Lithium is a not starter for so many reasons. Most people are just to stupid to realize that yet. The electric grid cannot handle a lot of EV’s. And they still won’t work in the cold.


51 posted on 06/22/2023 8:24:38 AM PDT by Revel
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To: Tell It Right

Here in Florida, some homeowners Insurance companies have started not insuring homes or just the roofs if they have solar panels mounted on them. They weaken the roof structure and over time will rot the beams and poke
holes in the underlayment..............


52 posted on 06/22/2023 8:27:11 AM PDT by Red Badger (Homeless veterans camp in the streets while illegal aliens are put up in hotels.....................)
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To: lowbridge

I had a solar panel salesman come to my door yesterday and read the riot act to him. He tried to explain Global Warming to me but had no idea how CO2 heats the earth.


53 posted on 06/22/2023 8:27:32 AM PDT by bray (Dr Fauxi killed millions)
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To: bigbob

Those fundamental parameters I provided do not change. Every battery / EV technology has to be scored and ranked against them. It is a multivariate linear programming optimization problem.

It is the well-known “Fast, good, or cheap – pick two” “Iron Triangle” or “Project Management Triangle.”


54 posted on 06/22/2023 8:29:37 AM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom (I don’t like to think before I say something...I want to be just as surprised as everyone else.)
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To: bray
The gas engine is the most efficient form of transportation invented.

That is plainly false. The most modern internal combustion engines in cars are about 30% efficient. The best internal combustion engines in a lab setting can get up to about 50% efficiency max. Electric motors can get to 90%+ efficiency.

55 posted on 06/22/2023 8:31:40 AM PDT by Alter Kaker (Gravitation is a theory, not a fact. It should be approached with an open mind...)
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To: Red Badger

Where’s the power coming from that will charge these wonderful new EVs?

A car that goes twice as far on a charge will require roughly twice the power to charge it. Apart from convenience to the owner, the fundamental problem is still there.


56 posted on 06/22/2023 8:33:00 AM PDT by Fresh Wind (Faux News: "We distort, you deride")
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To: Red Badger

Whoopee.

Still take far too long to charge, cost too much to buy and repair.

And I know what the response time for an ambulance can and does run in my neck of the woods.

Just another reason why I won’t be buying an EV any time soon.


57 posted on 06/22/2023 8:33:02 AM PDT by mewzilla (We will never restore the republic if we don't first secure the ballot box.)
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To: Fresh Wind

I can see everybody will be buying gas powered generators pretty soon.................


58 posted on 06/22/2023 8:35:16 AM PDT by Red Badger (Homeless veterans camp in the streets while illegal aliens are put up in hotels.....................)
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To: Red Badger

There still using batteries Jim beam me up.


59 posted on 06/22/2023 8:40:00 AM PDT by Vaduz (....)
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To: rdcbn1

A true hybrid. A small battery pack to power one,two or four motors, with a small highly efficient ICE engine whose only purpose is to charge the battery.


60 posted on 06/22/2023 8:42:37 AM PDT by redangus
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