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To: BroJoeK

This is the part of the conversation where I say your numbers are wrong & from a bias source and mine are not, so I’ll just skip that; we will both believe what we want to believe.

Ultimately, time will tell who wins and loses. The “winner” won’t be paying reparation, Russia will do the rebuilding on whatever land it controls when it’s all said and done.

The Ukrainian neo-Nazi thing can’t be avoided though, and despite a lot of Internet scrubbing, plenty remains (I’ve intentionally selected mostly left-leaning sites).

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/the-neo-nazi-question-in_b_4938747

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2015/03/10/ukraine-azov-brigade-nazis-abuses-separatists/24664937/

https://www.thenation.com/article/archive/the-heartbreaking-irony-of-winter-on-fire/tnamp/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CpV16BQfbrQ

https://thehill.com/opinion/international/359609-the-reality-of-neo-nazis-in-the-ukraine-is-far-from-kremlin-propaganda/

https://time.com/5926750/azov-far-right-movement-facebook/

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2014/01/01/ukraine-bandera/4279897/

https://newrepublic.com/article/117692/fascism-returns-ukraine

https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/ukraine-crisis/german-tv-shows-nazi-symbols-helmets-ukraine-soldiers-n198961

https://foreignpolicy.com/2014/03/18/yes-there-are-bad-guys-in-the-ukrainian-government/

https://www.cnn.com/2014/03/06/opinion/speedie-ukraine-far-right/index.html

https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/ukraine-crisis/analysis-u-s-cozies-kiev-government-including-far-right-n66061

https://www.salon.com/2014/02/25/is_the_us_backing_neo_nazis_in_ukraine_partner/

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-cohen-ukraine-commentary-idUSKBN1GV2TY

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-27173857

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-28329329

https://foreignpolicy.com/2014/08/30/preparing-for-war-with-ukraines-fascist-defenders-of-freedom/

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/apr/11/ultranationalism-in-ukraine-a-photo-essay

https://foreignpolicy.com/2019/04/17/theres-one-far-right-movement-that-hates-the-kremlin-azov-ukraine-biletsky-nouvelle-droite-venner/

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/3/1/who-are-the-azov-regiment

https://www.thedailybeast.com/is-america-training-neonazis-in-ukraine

https://www.rferl.org/a/ukraine-azov-right-wing-militia-to-patrol-kyiv/29008036.html


88 posted on 05/31/2023 2:20:25 PM PDT by CapandBall
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To: CapandBall
CapandBall: "This is the part of the conversation where I say your numbers are wrong & from a bias source and mine are not, so I’ll just skip that; we will both believe what we want to believe."

I have no doubt that all the numbers are wrong, to some degree, and so I picked the estimates which seemed more likely to be closer to actual -- US or UN estimates when available.

CapandBall: "The Ukrainian neo-Nazi thing can’t be avoided though, and despite a lot of Internet scrubbing, plenty remains (I’ve intentionally selected mostly left-leaning sites)."

When you use the words "Ukrainian neo-Nazis" you tell the whole world, "I, CapandBall, am a babbling lunatic who has no clue what I mean, just parroting whatever drivel my masters in Moscow tell me to say."

In 2019 Ukrainians elected a Jewish president and a Jewish prime minister.
Volodymyr Zelenskyy won in a runoff with 73% of the popular vote.
That should tell us all we need to know about alleged "Nazis" in Ukraine.

Today Zelenskyy leads Ukraine in its existential struggle against the real modern-day Nazi-equivalents, Vlad the Invader and his army of orcs.





89 posted on 06/01/2023 5:59:07 AM PDT by BroJoeK (future DDG 134 -- we remember)
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