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To: Worldtraveler once upon a time

Yes, when you have a screen name that is consistently wrong, it is funny at first, then ....

I would have thought that person would stop making predictions.

The 3 options you state are incorrect
1. pro-Z? It’s not pro-Z, Zelensky is just the latest elected President of Ukraine. Putin was going to invade no matter what. The only good thing about Z is that he didn’t run.
This is pro-Ukraine or rather pro-”the little guy who is fighting off the home invaders”

2. Pro-Putin —> yes, though some conflate this with pro-Russia. It’s not clear that most Russian people support this invasion.

3. Neutral - well this can also be split into
3.1. meh
3.2. stop the killing
3.3. I support one side or the other but stop the killing.


36 posted on 05/25/2023 7:17:01 AM PDT by Cronos
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To: Cronos
--- "The 3 options you state are incorrect 1. pro-Z? It's not pro-Z, Zelensky is just the latest elected President of Ukraine. Putin was going to invade no matter what. The only good thing about Z is that he didn't run. This is pro-Ukraine or rather pro-”the little guy who is fighting off the home invaders”
2. Pro-Putin —> yes, though some conflate this with pro-Russia. It's not clear that most Russian people support this invasion.
3. Neutral - well this can also be split into
3.1. meh
3.2. stop the killing
3.3. I support one side or the other but stop the killing.

One of the fine and well-known debate strategies is to define the terms. Your imagined 3.1, 3.2, and 3.3 strategy is a re-definition of what I posted, and clever on the surface. It is also revealing.

Since your re-definition is a strategy appealing to you, I will restate my view without resort to numbers.

"Not my circus and not my clowns" and in a war -- or special military operation, as the Ruskies play their word game -- between two currently non-NATO nations, both "born" as new governments in 1991, thugs are duking it out.

"Stop the killing" is all very nice, but it is meaningless as a geopolitical phenomenon. A review of Rummel's "Power Kills" details the democide which has been going on for a very long time, with the history of the 20th century being enormously murderous. "Stop the killing" has been trotted out plenty, without effect. So your clever variant, "I support one side or the other but stop the killing" is utterly meaningless.

How this brutal, murderous event will turn out in a week, a month, a year of in decades is how it WILL turn out. Sitting in the bleaches cheering for a team is just "sports."

As to the debate and political strategy of re-definitions, fine examples in this time include redefining CO2, greenhouse, fossil, vaccine, forecasting, modeling, and even -- quelle surpise! -- NATO.

Here's something that will not be redefined, except upwards. Circa 32 trillion dollars. Poland can put a lot more financial aid to the Z government, and put it on your credit card for awhile. After all YOU are sitting about about 50% of GDP while this United States is sitting at about 122 %, so it's past time for you fine Europeans to take up the heavy lifting, because....

I say with clarity and repetition, it's not my circus and not my clowns.

39 posted on 05/25/2023 8:26:05 AM PDT by Worldtraveler once upon a time (Degrow government)
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To: Cronos
I would have thought that person would stop making predictions.

Not gonna happen -- most folks think too highly of their own opinion. It's the way of the world, unfortunately. Too many cooks in the kitchen, so to speak.

I made my one false prediction about Ukraine early last year, when I said Putin wouldn't invade. That prediction was based mainly on years of believing the Russian armed forces are garbage, so why would Putin expose that for Ukraine, of all places? And now the whole world knows the Russian army is no better than any other Third World country.

41 posted on 05/25/2023 8:37:02 AM PDT by AnglePark (My opinion is the most worthless thing I own.)
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