Posted on 05/17/2023 9:55:37 PM PDT by ganeemead
Candidate for smallest nuclear weapon, around 20 tons of TNT.
Again I am not able to believe that the recent explosion at Khmelnitsky when the Kinzhal hit the arms depot was conventional. One youtube wonk notes that seismograph data indicates that the Khmelnitsky explosion was around three times that, about 60 tons. Two possibilities:
Neither, it was just a lot of ordinance, probably stored out in the open, and it got hit. DU cannot make a nuclear explosion.... at all, never.
And great big explosions are not uncommon in history.
Nobody nuked anybody.
60 tons is not a massive number.
60 kilotons would be an eye opener, though.
Good that you begin your explanation with a frank admission of your severe intellectual limitations.
The explosion was conventional. Over the centuries, there have been multiple accidental chemical explosions on U.S. soil that were much bigger.
The DU tank gun ammo being stored at the depot found some way to explode in a nuclear fashion.
Ludicrous! Frankly impossible! You obviously have ZERO understanding of nuclear physics.
NATO fops and/or neocon wankers [...]
Pure speculation on your part.
Regards,
smh
3rd possibility, 60 tons of 155 shells, propellant, etc was stored in the open. That is about 150 pallets of shells worth of stuff. Not at all unreasonable to move and store.
It happened at the battle of Roi Namur in WWII. A Jap bunker held about 100 torpedoes with 1000 pound warheads. A hapless Marine threw in a satchel charge and 100k pounds of explosives went off.
Just cannot see it being a nuke. And if a NATO nuke went off, Ukraine would howl that Russia had nuked them and NATO needed to come into the war fully.
Brought to us by the same hysterics that claimed the ChiComs lauched a sub missile off the Calif coast?
I have been close (!-2 miles) to a bomb dump getting hit. It is quite spectacular, even looking like a nuke fireball.
No initial flash signature, but a righteous bang and shock wave.
if a nuclear weapon is used as a weapon of war, the first notification will come from space-based networks (e.g. the US DSP or the Russian Oko) looking for the characteristic double flash of a nuclear detonation.
You shouldn’t speculate like this. There’s already way to much propaganda and fake news about this war.
Nuclear weapons do not work like this FRiend and as little faith as I have in our neocon masters this is reckless speculation and exhibits a complete lack of understanding of how such weapons function.
PS - the Beirut explosion with simple ammonium nitrate was far larger than this one. I believe it was between 500-1100 tons.
That would have gone off like a string of firecrackers; what actually happened was one titanic explosion...
Good shout. That dockyard KaBOOM was bigger than this, and was non nuclear.
If the massive pile of stuff in waters off the Thames Estuary go up, expect spectacular KaBOOM but it won’t be nuclear.
Was there a bright flash consistent with a nuclear detonation? No. The dark mushroom cloud is more indicative of fossil fuel, plastics and timber.
And our resident nuclear speculators don’t ask the most compelling questions.
Like, even China has warned Putin that triggering a nuclear accident by taking reckless action would be their red line for supporting Moscow, yet Moscow is still deliberately targeting stuff that they know is very close to operational nuclear power plants, spent fuel, cooling lakes.
One rocket going off course to take out a cache of ammo that’s nowhere near the front line yet could trigger a major nuclear incident.
Of course the mad vatnik cold war level paranoia that gave us the cover-up of Chernobyl and Kursk won’t mind if such an incident did come to pass, because it’ll automatically be someone elses’ fault.
Even if Ukraine was putting a tempting legitimate target close to something that could go nuclear, no sane regime on the planet would risk hitting it by accident.
Didn’t Russia itself make that very same point last year when complaining about Ukraine lobbing rockets into Enerhodar? (While it was firing missiles from inside Enerhodar, as well as from the east and south of Enerhodar, that flew directly over the nuclear plant!)
It’s called detonation. 60 tons is used a moderate 155mm artillery barrage. 120,000/100 = 1200 rounds. About 32 rounds apiece for a battalion of guns.
Set off a group of artillery shells with an impact and the over pressure from the initial shock wave is sufficient to ignite adjacent rounds (force=heat).
So, imo the shells were in strategic storage when they should have been in tactical storage. AKA “our stuff is within range of enemy fire” in which case they need to spread the rounds out in piles with barriers between them such as Hescos. Similar issue with nuclear fission. Spread the fuel out to avoid criticality.
The CNN of Muskovite propagandists.
The Davy Crockett was a recoiless rifle M28/M29 designed to fire a low yeild, 20 ton, nuclear warhead. Withdrawn from service in ‘67, last of the rounds destroyed ‘71. It had a range of 1.5 miles.
There was a 280mm atomic cannon at the Aberdeen Proving Grounds museum which I wanted. Tried to take it but it wouldn’t fit into my minivan. Gonna need a bigger vehicle next time. /sarcasm
PS My father during WW2 worked on testing the 4.2” chemical mortar, WP aka Willy Peter, White Phosphorous, at Edgewood Arsenal/Aberdeen Proving Grounds. He was in the Chemical Warfare Service/USA. Proud of him.
Oh ganeemead, you will always be my favorite Russian propagandist. The absurdity of your posts increases with the desperation in the Kremlin.
Speaking of which, you might want to advise your master in Moscow to consider another “goodwill gesture” and pull his shattered army out of sovereign Ukraine before it is totally destroyed and there is nothing left to protect him from the likes of Prigozhin and Kadyrov.
Actually Davy Crockett had 2 types of guns a 120mm version which was actually man portable for short distances had range of 2000 m (1.2 miles) Larger 155 mm had range of 4000 m (2.5 mile) Warhead - W54 had yield of either 10 or 20 ton nominal yield Blast radius for lethal radiation (500 rem) was 400 m - minimum range was 300 m so could be caught in lethal radius of own weapon Fuse was time delayed - gunner would consult range chart to set fuse prior to firing Problem was if head wind or strong crosswind slowed flight of warhead then you were toast
A nasty weapon - on both ends
You seem to think these are nuclear weapons that set off a small nuclear bomb.
The loss of the USS Mount Hood in WW2 is a good example of the possibilities of conventional explosives.
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