| In the General/Chat forum, on a thread titled What really killed COVID-19 patients: It wasn't a cytokine storm, suggests study (Secondary bacterial pneumonia from ventilators), gas_dr wrote: |
Here I can help with the names. Ransom Note. Jane Long. Bagster. And all the other Q believers. Sadly the proof of no cytokine storm means that the whole ivermectin and HCQ basis just died. Of course some are not smart enough to realize this instead gloating if their ongoing fake knowledge |
No. What bizarre reasoning. Many people who were sick and took HCQ/AZ or Ivermectin got well. The PCR 'test' was invalid so we don't know what illness they had, but we DO know the CDC protocol denied them all treatment if docs thought they had Covid.
Terart's doctor wouldn't give her any medications for the illness making her so sick. She called the hospital and they told her 'no medications' and that it would be ventilator only. Her only chance was to self-medicate, but she didn't take sufficient doses Ivermectin for a sufficient duration. When she was finally hospitalized, she never received treatment - just ventilator, and she died. I wish you had not warned her away from trying more Ivermectin - it could have saved her life, and it's certainly got an outstanding safety profile.
Obviously, some people need additional prescriptions tailored to their needs, but the CDC protocol was to deny sick people treatment.
Here are some personal accounts of Ivermectin use from Q thread FReepersIn:
Poster: StevenW
Anecdote: Two friends at the brink of hospitalization quickly recovered using IVM.
Poster: Wegelhof
Anecdote: Wife and I had Covid/ pneumonia. We started IVM on Saturday. By Monday we were human.
Poster: Little Jeremiah
Anecdote: My friend J., age 40, got sick to the point of coughing up blood. IVM and Azithromiacin helped him within hours. He was very much better next day. Wife thinks it saved him. Husband and I got sick and used IVM and have recovered.
Poster: Cheshire the Cat
Anecdote: Aunt refused Rundeathisnear and Ventilator in hospital after learning about the facts. She still refuses to be vaccinated. SO took swine version of IVM and recovered.
Poster: Sheepwhisperer
Anecdote: Chris, age 52, had a 103* fever and was ill for nine days. Fever abated after two days of IVM, vitamin C, zinc, et al. He said, “You saved my life, bro.”
Poster: Grammy
Anecdote: Mr. And Mrs. G. had very slight cases and they attribute it to IVM. Also, a friend fighting cancer was told about IVM and her cancer is shrinking. A friend’s daughter had long-term Covid and is getting IV NAC and it is helping tremendously.
Poster: Gritty
Anecdote: Heidi W. was ready to go to ER with Covid. She began recovering four hours after IVM. Two weeks later she was 100% using the FLCCC protocol. Dave W. (Heidi’s husband) was in ICU/Isolation. His wife got some IVM into him. He refused Remdesivir and ventilator. He continued to deteriorate and hospital ordered palliative care. Heidi W. convinced doctor to give Dave IVM and he recovered.
Poster: Melian
Anecdote: Ed S., age 58, had severe Covid in the early days of the pandemic. His doctors gave him IVM (before it had been banned) and he recovered fully. He said, “That IVM is amazing stuff. I felt great!”
My brother, age 61, was hospitalized with Covid/pneumonia. Doctors wanted to start Remdesivir and ventilator, but he refused. His wife brought IVM to him and he took it surreptitiously. In three days, he signed himself out of the hospital despite medical protestations. After two months, he is completely recovered. He says IVM is a gift from God.
Poster: I_be_tc
Anecdote: equine vet’s husband was very sick. She picked up IVM pills at 9pm. Two days later, her hubby was playing on the floor with little son and she was much better as well.
What actually died was the 'narrative' you've been protecting, and still protect to this day. You're not a real doctor but here you are, judging FReepers for saving themselves when doctors and hospitals stopped treating sick people, and followed the CDC protocol of no medication unless it was something like the sedative used in executions, midazolam, prescribed during Covid to keep patients quiet.
Well. Thanks for the anecdotes but this actual data with the actual story demonstrate then that those people with the anecdotal data were going to get well regardless and that the IVM and HCQ are a non-factor.
And as you continue to persist on the same topic Terat was advised to delay actual curative therapy to get IVM. Which now according to this study demonstrate its uselessness. But you would have to recall the arguments that were made instead of the pivots attempted here. The reason why some have become the paragon of this is what they always knew if because they have no foundational knowledge so whatever is said sounds good. But in that ignorance people forget what they argued.
This study is particularly harmful and confirms the studies that fall on the side of IVM and HCq being reasonable drugs based on the mechanisms discovered.
Funny. This is what real science looks like. Non predetermined explanations to results that are well designed and researched.
Again you continue to lie. My medical license says that that I am licensed to practice medicine. You can produce nothing different because you have nothing. So either produce evidence that I am not a doctor as you accuse me of which or course then puts you in the predicament of violating the rules of this forum by not seeking the identity of a member. Or you are just saying it often enough hoping it becomes true. Let me be clear. When someone levels an accusation the burden of proof is on the accuser. Produce your evidence or admit you don’t know. This allows me to show you as a liar by refuting evidence and should get you banned from the site because it would demostrate your willingly violating the agreed to rules OR admit you can’t prove a thing which means every time you have said you are not a real doctor you know for a fact this is a lie because you cannot back up your statement.
Oh and there are not required protocols. I used remdesevir twice and never again. Real physicians like me also know not to use Midazolam for sedation or ventilated patients as it promotes delirium. I haven’t infuse midazolam for sedation in over a decade. But again you glom onto something that sounds impressive and drive the narrative never realizing what a total fool you look like.
Trust me many of us here on this forum and in the world are laughing at you. And your ongoing insistence that your are correct is actually rather sad and we Pity you because of your lack of ability to admit you are wrong and actually engage in growth and learning.
Your relevance is continually shrinking and this study no matter what you spin is a kill shot on your narrative.