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Counting the Uncountable Lives Saved by Good Guys with Guns
Slow Facts -dot- Word Press -dot- com ^ | 9 Apr 2023 | Rob Morse

Posted on 04/10/2023 12:19:06 PM PDT by Paal Gulli

Counting the Uncountable Lives Saved by Good Guys with Guns

Rob Morse, Slow Facts

April 9, 2023

We know your armed neighbor protected himself when he scared away the robber in the night. What we don’t know, and often can’t know, is how many other people your neighbor saved that night. It is devilishly hard to measure the good that armed citizens do as they stop violent crime. Sure, we have a pretty good idea how many people own guns. We have a very good idea how many times these gun owners save lives every year. What we don’t know very well is how many violent attacks they prevented. Sure, we can come up with a number, but this is why that simple question of lives saved is so difficult to answer.

The good news is that we are far better at this than we used to be. To begin, there was a nationwide survey in early 2021 that asked tens of thousands of people if they owned guns. The researchers came up with a figure of about 81 million people over the age of 18 who own firearms in the USA. That certainly tells us some of what we want to know, but it isn’t nearly enough. In the same way that you might have a driver’s license and drive regularly but still not be a car owner yourself, we don’t know how many people routinely have access to a firearm for self-defense but are not themselves a gun owner today. Maybe they owned guns yesterday, but not now. We know that about four-in-ten of us live in a household that owns guns.

To confuse matters even more, maybe your roommate owns a gun so you can defend yourself at night when you’re home, but it is much less likely that you could protect yourself when you’re away from your apartment. Does that mean you count as “half a gun owner” if you only have a firearm nearby for half of each day? Since this nationwide survey only questioned gun owners, that means the “armed roommates”, and the “armed family members” were ignored. They may have used a firearm in self-defense or they might not.

The survey researchers only asked gun owners if they defended themselves. Despite those conservative conditions, the survey found that over 25-million ordinary adults used a firearm for self-defense at some point in their lives. That alone is a significant number of lives that were saved from “death or grave bodily injury.” The researchers also came up with a figure of 1.67-million times each year when gun owners used a firearm in self-defense.

Those are very important numbers, but again we want to know more about what they imply. We know how many armed incidents we had, but we don’t know how many good guys were saved in each incident. Those numbers matter because armed defense is so common. We defend ourselves with a firearm over 4,600 times a day.

Was your neighbor alone in her home when she frightened away the robber last night? Shouldn’t we count her family members or roommates as being saved with a gun too? How about the passengers who were riding with you when you frightened away the carjacker by reaching for your handgun? Unfortunately, the firearms survey didn’t ask about the number of victims who were defended. The answer is neither obvious nor certain.

It is hard to know how many people were put at risk by the robbers who tried to rob the local restaurant. Were the cooks in the back room at risk to the same degree as the female clerk behind the cash register who had the criminal’s gun in her face? The defender knows much more about the number of attackers in front of him than the potential victims who were behind him. On average, the defender faced more than one attacker, but we don’t know how many people she defended.

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How many were saved?

We think there were a total of about 2.5 million attacks that were stopped by armed defenders. At a minimum, that means we saved about 3-million individuals during the attack.

While the number of victims who were saved that day is important, it is also important to count the much larger number of victims who were saved tomorrow.

Violent crime is localized. 52-percent of our counties won’t have even a single murder this year. In contrast, there are a few criminals who will commit most of our violent crimes each year. 56-percent, over half of our murders, are committed in the worst 2 percent of our counties. Stopping those few violent predators today can make all of us much safer for years to come.

They used to say that the average criminal committed 20 to 30 crimes before he was arrested and taken off the streets. That could mean that the gun owner who helps stop an armed criminal would save an additional 10 to 15 people from being injured in the next few weeks or months. That used to be true, but what if the criminals aren’t being arrested by law enforcement in your city? What if these violent predators are not prosecuted and then sentenced?

The crime-closure rate has fallen and the effect is particularly pronounced in our failing democrat-controlled cities. In many cities with Soros funded prosecutors, carjackings are not being prosecuted, even armed carjackings. That is particularly true if the carjacker was a young man or young woman. The police might not want to investigate a residential burglary unless the criminal is still in your home. You’re supposed to file the crime report online.

The role of the armed defender becomes more important as the police stop capturing criminals and judges stop putting them in jail.

I have studied thousands of news stories about armed defense. Most of the time when the criminal faces an armed victim, the criminal runs away. The armed defender is forced to press the trigger about 18-percent of the time. Sometimes the criminal presses his attack and is wounded by the armed defender. Sometimes the attacker is killed. We’d rather that the police capture the criminal before the robber ever makes it to our door, but we don’t always get what we want.

If the police caught every criminal after every crime, then the armed defender is only saving himself and his family. In contrast, the armed citizen may be saving a dozen future victims if the criminal justice system is broken, and the offender commits crime after crime.

As a case in point, it is common for an injured robber to show up at the hospital for treatment. The robber is often arrested when he matches the description of the violent attacker who broke into your home. If the wounded robbers are put in jail then that means that the armed defenders are saving a few million more people each year.

There isn’t one answer that works to describe the number of victims saved by each armed defense. In hindsight, we should have expected that from the beginning.

Taking the criminal off the street pushes the number of individuals who were saved by armed defense each year to over 5-million people. No wonder our failed democrat cities are so violent when they have all but outlawed armed defense.

That armed defense is only marginally important in a well-run society. Sadly, we are now seeing cities where violent crime goes unrecorded and unstopped. In those sad situations, armed defenders are saving their own lives and the lives of the next victims. By matter of degree, that is true in every city.

The beneficiaries are hard to count, but honest gun owners save several millions of lives in addition to their own.

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1 posted on 04/10/2023 12:19:06 PM PDT by Paal Gulli
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To: Paal Gulli
CDC Quietly Removes Defensive Gun Use Studies

By Angel Olin
12/31/2022

Not too far in the distant past, you could jump on the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) website and see statistics and studies showing uses of a gun in defense of oneself or others far exceeded the number of violent gun crimes in the United States. However, a series of emails leaked in an article by The Reload indicates the CDC quietly removed the studies from its website upon the request of activists hoping to pass more gun-control policies.

What Did the Studies Find?

Gary Kleck, Professor Emeritus of the College of Criminology and Criminal Justice at the University of Florida published a study citing that between 60,000 and 2.5 million defensive gun uses happen every year in the United States. The CDC’s report [based on Kleck’s findings] stated “another body of research estimated annual gun use for self-defense to be much higher, up to 2.5 million incidents, suggesting that self-defense can be an important crime deterrent.” It goes on to say that “some studies on the association between self-defensive gun use and injury or loss to the victim have found less loss and injury when a firearm is used.”

So, in conclusion, the study used by the CDC seemed to have indicated that firearms are more likely to save a life during a self-defense incident than be used to take one in a violent crime. These statistics have been used in many legislative debates, often deterring many of the strict measures many gun-control politicians have attempted to pass.

Why the Removal?

Emails obtained by The Reload present a clear picture of gun-control activists lobbying the CDC for the removal of the report. Initial introductions to top officials at the CDC on behest of the activists were orchestrated by the White House and Senator Dick Durbin (D-IL) in a completely different set of emails. In one email, one of the activists, Mark Bryant, wrote “[T]hat 2.5 million number needs to be killed, buried, dug up, killed again and buried again,” and that “Kleck’s estimate has been damaging to the political prospects of passing new gun restrictions and should be eliminated from the CDC’s website.”

The CDC initially resisted the removal of the study. But after a meeting in September of 2021, decided to go forward with the requests. Beth Reimels, Associate Director for Policy, Partnerships, and Strategic Communication at the CDC’s Division of Violence Prevention, wrote “we will also make some edits to the content we discussed that I think will address the concerns you and other partners have raised.” Never having been consulted on the removal of the statistics, Kleck stated that the “CDC is just aligning itself with the gun-control advocacy groups,” and “it’s just saying: ‘We are their tool, and we will do their bidding.’ And that’s not what a government agency should do.”

Some Truth About Defensive Use of Guns

Oftentimes, you will hear reports of gun violence plaguing the United States; yet, hardly ever hear of any reports of the defensive use of guns. A record 22.1 million Americans now hold a concealed carry permit. Women and minorities have increasingly been the demographics of individuals obtaining their concealed carry permits in the past few years as crime has risen in major cities. Dr. John Lott, president of the Crime Prevention Research Center said that “women in particular” are “about 2.4 times more likely to end up being seriously injured than a woman who has a gun to protect herself.” Furthermore, Maj Toure, the founder of Black Guns Matter, stated, “I believe that more Black people would be alive if they were armed.”

Unfortunately, as crime skyrockets across the United States, the defensive use of guns will be drastically underreported while gun crime remains at the top of the political news cycle.

2 posted on 04/10/2023 12:41:11 PM PDT by Yo-Yo (Is the /Sarc tag really necessary? Pray for President Biden: Psalm 109:8)
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To: Yo-Yo
I look at it this way....

Law enforcement are "first responders". Armed citizens are "immediate responders."

3 posted on 04/10/2023 1:19:12 PM PDT by mosaicwolf
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To: mosaicwolf

Well said.


4 posted on 04/10/2023 1:35:11 PM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to says it.)
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To: mosaicwolf

The simple brandishing of a gun can de-escalate situations.


5 posted on 04/10/2023 2:58:56 PM PDT by Mean Daddy (Every time Hillary lies, a demon gets its wings. - Windflier)
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To: Paal Gulli

The anecdotes are many. A convincing argument is often better with a well told anecdote than statistics.

Blue Blood had an episode that is very true of the real world. A robber tried to rob a store. Gramps, retired top cop in a cop family walked up from the back of the store with gun drawn “Be smart or be dead”. This happens often. Cops . security guards,similar off duty do not want the recgonition for whateve reason.

In Chicago I used to jump in the middle of conflict and try to de-escalate. On 2 of those occasions the parties did not want to de-escalate and turned on me with intent to kill me. (I have never carried a loaded weapon in my life.)

On those 2 occasions an illegal immigrant Mexican stepped forward with a hand gun and forced my attackers to back off.

Illegals with guns in Chicago is the perfect proof of John Lott arguments. They use then for defense, not offense ... with the exception of those who get drunk and shoot their best friend while drunk. But that is true of everyong. In Vietnam drunk guys shot their best friend of some stupid arguent

Of course my personal experience was many years ago. So from my personal experience we say only a few times over 60 years. But if I had been killed back then I wouldn’t be here now to tell my story. Statistics have so many ways they can be normalized or not normalized and skewed.


6 posted on 04/10/2023 3:44:43 PM PDT by spintreebob (ki .h )
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To: Paal Gulli

Totalitarians create propaganda and politicization out of each case of gun violence but ignore crimes deterred and lives saved due to guns. Gun crimes are miniscule compared to lives saved


7 posted on 04/10/2023 5:16:48 PM PDT by kp2hot
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