Posted on 03/31/2023 3:14:08 PM PDT by Mercat
https://twitter.com/anangbhai/status/1641827518180212739?s=61&t=AwETWJZPWT8q3y9iLP5v9g
I don’t have access to Twitter so I can’t see it.
Agreed. The movie deservedly won Best Picture.
The other day I pointed out the divine flip side to this to a nitwit repeating slanders against the Lord because He permits evil and even just bad things to happen.
If the Lord takes down Satan then He takes down everyone following Satan too. The door of grace, of forgiveness and salvation closed in an instant.
There will be a day, fast approaching I think, when that door will be closed on all the unsaved of this generation who follow the beast (because otherwise no more anywhere would be redeemed) but until then the Father’s forbearance that Paul speculated of remains in place: “What if God, although choosing to show his wrath and make his power known, bore with great patience the objects of his wrath—prepared for destruction? What if he did this to make the riches of his glory known to the objects of his mercy, whom he prepared in advance for glory— even us, whom he also called, not only from the Jews but also from the Gentiles?” ... Romans 9:22-24
Probably because so many do not follow the Lord or fear being found out as heathans.
It’s the scene where Thomas More is telling his whole family that they cannot arrest or try someone. I forget whom. I’m sure you can find it on Youtube. I’ll try to find it.
What the early Old Whigs (conservatives) hated most, the arbitrary application of power. Henry the VIII, Thomas More in his actions, Woolsey, and Thomas Cromwell all were guilty of that problem, the arbitrary application of power. Government is little else than the application of power. If it is allowed to be arbitrary, if it is unrestrained, if it is wielded by individuals outside of process and confines, it is generally evil.
“”I don’t have access to Twitter so I can’t see it.””
You do not need the Twitter App to access a Twitter link. On the computer, right click on the link and choose ‘open in another tab.’ On a smartphone, hold your fingertip on the link, then choose open in another tab.
You could also copy and paste the link.
Bring it on!
I would like nothing better than for God to immediately and instantly obliterate and annihilate all evil in the universe!
No more suffering!
Regards,
Paul would disagree.
Even one redeemed saint is worth endiring those who will not be redeemed.
But when the last person who could be redeemed in this age will be redeemed then expect things to change very quickly.
No, a true saint would say, "Please obliterate the entire universe - maybe some time long ago (say, in the Cambrian Period) - rather than allow one innocent child to suffer (during his lifetime)."
The Damned also suffer (after the end of their lifetime) - but I would rather that they, too, be spared that unnecessary suffering.
Regards,
That is setting your focus on man’s interest rather than the Lord’s.
Also, it is wrong even then. Of all the lost who have ever lived it has only ever been said of one person that it would be good for them to have not lived, and that was Judas Iscariot.
Correct! I am a human being. From a human being's interest, it is preferable that no human being ever (innocently) should ever have suffered.
The Lord could very well be pursuing some unfathomable agenda according to which it was in His interest that (some) innocent human beings suffered - or, at least, according to which the suffering of innocent human beings could be regarded as "acceptable."
The microbiologist attempting to develop a new antibiotic certainly doesn't care if some of the bacteria he is experimenting on die.
Thanks for admitting that! (That the Lord might be pursuing an agenda that is in His interest, but not in ours.)
Also, it is wrong even then. Of all the lost who have ever lived it has only ever been said of one person that it would be good for them to have not lived, and that was Judas Iscariot.
I dispute that that statement should be taken as "exclusionary." Just because Jesus said that it would have been better had Judas Iscariot not been born does NOT mean that the same couldn't also be said of other persons.
Only if Jesus had been asked point-blank, "Are you saying that there is NO OTHER person in all history - past, present, or future - who likewise should never have been born?", and had He replied in the affirmative, could one justifiably argue that ONLY Judas Iscariot shouldn't have been born.
But Jesus was NOT asked that.
The fact remains that whatever unfathomable plan the Lord is pursuing, He willingly accepts that some totally innocent children will die agonizing deaths (compared to which Christ's suffering on the Cross could be seen as merciful) after having lived short, miserable lives.
But at least God's plan (whatever that is) is being realized!
Regards,
He proclaims the unfathomable agenda from long ago...
“From one man he made all the nations, that they should inhabit the whole earth; and he marked out their appointed times in history and the boundaries of their lands. God did this so that they would seek him and perhaps reach out for him and find him, though he is not far from any one of us. For in him we live and move and have our being. As some of your own poets have said, ‘We are his offspring.’ Therefore since we are God’s offspring, we should not think that the divine being is like gold or silver or stone—an image made by human design and skill. In the past God overlooked such ignorance, but now he commands all people everywhere to repent. For he has set a day when he will judge the world with justice by the man he has appointed. He has given proof of this to everyone by raising him from the dead.”
So, you're saying that it is fathomable - because it was "proclaimed?"
I'm still looking for some explanation as to why the short, miserable life and agonizing death of an innocent child (or of millions of such children) is justifiable.
Regards,
Ah I see, you’re doing the pot questioning the potter shtick.
Carry on.
A Christian perspective:
“It is a serious thing to live in a society of possible gods and goddesses, to remember that the dullest most uninteresting person you talk to may one day be a creature which, if you say it now, you would be strongly tempted to worship, or else a horror and a corruption such as you now meet, if at all, only in a nightmare. All day long we are, in some degree helping each other to one or the other of these destinations. It is in the light of these overwhelming possibilities, it is with the awe and the circumspection proper to them, that we should conduct all of our dealings with one another, all friendships, all loves, all play, all politics. There are no ordinary people. You have never talked to a mere mortal. nations, cultures, arts, civilizations – These are mortal, and their life is to ours as the life of a gnat. But it is immortals whom we joke with, work with, marry, snub, and exploit – immortal horrors or everlasting splendors.”
“At present we are on the outside of the world, the wrong side of the door. We discern the freshness and purity of morning, but they do not make us fresh and pure. We cannot mingle with the splendors we see. But all the leaves of the New Testament are rustling with the rumor that it will not always be so. Some day, God willing, we shall get in.”
CS Lewis, The Weight of Glory
And while I’ve suffered, at times, and innocently, it has NEVER made me wish I’d never been born! You speak for yourself, alexander_busek, although I doubt you speak honestly. I don’t think I’ve ever met a person who wished he had never been born - which YOU wish on every human who has ever lived!
Why?
I would like to say I can’t imagine why but there is one of the promises the Father has made that quickly came to mind that if someone simply did not believe it that might lead them to such bitterness: the promise to wipe away all tears.
If someone believes there is no way to do that, or to even go farther in the extreme as to believe that there will still be tears of sorrow and pain in the new heaven and earth, it must be a terrible thing.
I’m NOT saying that’s the issue here, but it is what I was reminded of.
Still, instead it is written: “I consider that our present sufferings are not worth comparing with the glory that will be revealed in us.” — Romans 8:18
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