Posted on 03/08/2023 8:20:32 AM PST by BenLurkin
Three of the four victims have been identified, including a flight instructor, a college student and a 67-year-old man.
Where the planes departed from and what caused the deadly collision remains unknown... the crash happened around 14:00 EST (19:00 GMT) near the Winter Haven Regional Airport & FBO.
After the collision, one of the planes was 21ft (6m) under water while the other was partially submerged.
One of the two planes involved was a Cherokee Piper 161. It carried Faith Irene Baker, 24, a flight instructor with Sunrise Aviation, and Zachary Jean Mace, 19, a student at Polk State College.
The Cherokee Piper 161, a fixed-wing aircraft, was being operated on behalf of Polk State College, local media reported.
Mr Judd said the other plane was a Piper J-3 Club, a float plane, that was carrying Randall Elbert Crawford, 67, and one other person
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Not really because I actually am a licensed pilot and age is completely irrelevant outside of having to be 17 years old. I have had many instructors and there were good ones who were young and old and there were old ones who were bad too. The flight instructor rating is a rating that actually has a high failure rate the first time because it is so challenging.
Well you make a point and good on her for getting her license. Sometimes it’s just shit luck. I’ve had my share too. I don’t make equivalence between young guys going into war and the magnitude of all that and no doubt a lot of on the job training after they were certified and a young person flying around peaceful Florida racking up hours to go commercial.
I’m sure the young guys back then made plenty of dumb moves too but like you say, age is certainly not the only factor.
Does anyone know if the yellow plane had the older man. If so, he was flying over my old house for over a decade. And landing.
I think he was in the sea plane..
From another report..”Officials say the Cherokee Piper was doing pattern work, practicing “touch and go” maneuvers.”
I think that base has several yellow seaplanes?
No, no, dude, Cessna has a parachute option in 172/182. I've flown in a 182 with a chute and believe me, it's peace of mind. Plus the 182 is the best plane out there for its price point. Plus my son was flying (smile).
That said, one of the first 'chute' deaths was a guy who had a heart attack, triggered the chute, but landed in a lake. His family got out but he went blub blub blub.
The point was that a 24-year-old can be very responsible.
Full disclosure: I've never had a pilot's license.
However, I worked aircraft instrumentation and so I do have an advantage over other people, even those who even in aircraft maintenance in other fields, and a huge advantage over people just off the streets. That advantage is that I know what the instruments are, how to read them, and know the meaning of the information presented. And I've performed very well in simulators including an F-4 simulator because of this advantage.
That’s quite a leap to blame her for what happened before any investigation whatsoever. If my daughter had been an FAA approved flight instructor at age 24, I certainly would have flown with her.
Congratulations to your son.
The Air Boss in Dallas directed the 2 planes to crash into each other.
He instructed them to cross flight paths, at the same altitude in both the P-63’s and B-17’s blind spots.
Neither pilots were at fault.
The Air Boss in Dallas directed the 2 planes to crash into each other.
He instructed them to cross flight paths, at the same altitude in both the P-63’s and B-17’s blind spots.
Neither pilots were at fault.
About 5 miles away. I live on a fairly large lake so there are always sea planes taking off and landing here too.
“The point was that a 24-year-old can be very responsible.”
My reply to you was a cheap shot. I’d love to have your job. Airplanes embody the finest thinking, engineering, materials and manufacturing techniques. In more recent years they are stuffed with electronics like everything else. A lot to understand and maintain, and admire!
I have a textbook written in the 1940s on aircraft engines. Piston engines in those days of course. One of my favorite books.
You obviously don’t know what “gaslight” actually means.
Back in the 1960s my girl friend had 125+ solo hours by the time she was 17. She was a great pilot and was from New Jersey. She was in school with me at KU and Cessna in Wichita always had an open invitation for her to ferry planes to the east coast and they would pay for her commercial flight back to Kansas. She was studying Aeronautical Engineering.
By the time she was in her early 20s she probably had 400 hours and was instrument qualified on twin engine aircraft. And yes, she was as good looking as this young gal and when we got out of the plane at an FBO the staff always thought I was the pilot because at 18 she looked 16.
There are old pilots
And there are bold pilots
But there are no old, bold pilots.
Training accidents killed almost as many pilots as did the enemy.
“Cessna has a parachute option in 172/182. “
Don’t get too comfortable with the CAPS deployment as over water they might have a real impact as most aircraft can’t “forced landing” with water. So if the need is there, bringing it down vertically over water might be a good idea. But over land is a little different. Remember, with a vertical descent you get what you have under you with CAPS. It stops being an aircraft and becomes a falling leaf.
In going through pilot training my instructor would call a forced landing and I was required to find a place to put it down. I, of course, was not expected to destroy an expensive aircraft so I never did. But finding an open area away from people was always an option. With the CAPS, what is under you is what is going to receive a greater than three quarter ton 182 with fuel aboard and the pilot has no way to stop it or steer it.
The FAA accepted the original parachute as a sufficient mode of spin recovery but complete spin testing was not required. Sound like vaccines. Personally, I would rather have a say where the thing is going down. And consider that if a fire flashes after hitting the ground, if you can get the doors open, you can escape. This has been noted by the NTSB.
Has CAPS improved the numbers? Yes. But only about half of what the answer is. And I was a skilled learner of the IFR system of navigation. I follow road. And if you are going down in the L.A. basin, you were going to hit someone anyway so wouldn’t it be better having a chance of going into the L.A. river rather than a hospital if you had the choice?
wy69
Please look at my post #39. I stated in that post that both pilots were doing what the ground controller told them to do and that put them in each others blind spot. Like I said in my posts, it was a tragedy.
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