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We Have a Real UFO Problem. And It’s Not Balloons
politico.com ^ | Ryan Graves (retired Navy F/A-18F pilot)

Posted on 02/28/2023 8:18:09 AM PST by RoosterRedux

On a clear, sunny day in April 2014, two F/A-18s took off for an air combat training mission off the coast of Virginia. The jets, part of my Navy fighter squadron, climbed to an altitude of 12,000 and steered towards Warning Area W-72, an exclusive block of airspace ten miles east of Virginia Beach. All traffic into the training area goes through a single GPS point at a set altitude — almost like a doorway into a massive room where military jets can operate without running into other aircraft. Just at the moment the two jets crossed the threshold, one of the pilots saw a dark gray cube inside of a clear sphere — motionless against the wind, fixed directly at the entry point. The jets, only 100 feet apart, zipped past the object on either side. The pilots had come so dangerously close to something they couldn’t identify that they terminated the training mission immediately and returned to base.

“I almost hit one of those damn things!” the flight leader, still shaken by the incident, told us shortly after in the pilots’ ready room. We all knew exactly what he meant. “Those damn things” had been plaguing us for the previous eight months.

I joined the U.S. Navy in 2009 and underwent years of rigorous training as a pilot. Specifically, we are trained to be expert observers in identifying aircraft with our sensors and our own eyes. It’s our job to know what’s in our operating area. That’s why, in 2014, after upgrades were made to our radar system, our squadron made a startling discovery: There were unknown objects in our airspace.

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SharePlay Video Initially, the objects were showing up on our newly upgraded radars and we assumed they were “ghosts in the machine,” or software glitches. But then we began to correlate the radar tracks with multiple surveillance systems, including infrared sensors that detected heat signatures. Then came the hair-raising near misses that required us to take evasive action.

These were no mere balloons. The unidentified aerial phenomena (UAP) accelerated at speeds up to Mach 1, the speed of sound. They could hold their position, appearing motionless, despite Category 4 hurricane-force winds of 120 knots. They did not have any visible means of lift, control surfaces or propulsion — in other words nothing that resembled normal aircraft with wings, flaps or engines. And they outlasted our fighter jets, operating continuously throughout the day. I am a formally trained engineer, but the technology they demonstrated defied my understanding.

After that near-miss, we had no choice but to submit a safety report, hoping that something could be done before it was too late. But there was no official acknowledgement of what we experienced and no further mechanism to report the sightings — even as other aircrew flying along the East coast quietly began sharing similar experiences. Our only option was to cancel or move our training, as the UAP continued to maneuver in our vicinity unchecked.

Nearly a decade later we still don’t know what they were.

When I retired from the Navy in 2019, I was the first active-duty pilot to come forward publicly and testify to Congress. In the years since, there has been some notable coverage of the encounters and Congress has taken some action to force the military and intelligence agencies to do much more to get to the bottom of these mysteries.

But there has not been anything near the level of public and official attention that has been paid to the recent shoot downs of a Chinese spy balloon and the three other unknown objects that were likely research balloons.

And that’s a problem.

Advanced objects demonstrating cutting-edge technology that we cannot explain are routinely flying over our military bases or entering restricted airspace.

“UAP events continue to occur in restricted or sensitive airspace, highlighting possible concerns for safety of flight or adversary collection activity,” the Director of National Intelligence reported last month, citing 247 new reports over the last 17 months. “Some UAP appeared to remain stationary in winds aloft, move against the wind, maneuver abruptly, or move at considerable speed, without discernible means of propulsion.”

The Navy has also officially acknowledged 11 near misses with UAP that required evasive action and triggered mandatory safety reports between 2004 and 2021. Advanced UAP also pose a growing safety hazard to commercial airliners. Last May, the Federal Aviation Administration issued an alert after a passenger aircraft flying over West Virginia experienced a rare failure of two major systems while passing underneath what appeared to be a UAP.

One thing we do know is these craft aren’t part of some classified U.S. project. “We were quite confident that was not the explanation,” Scott Bray, the deputy director of the Office of Naval Intelligence, testified before Congress last year.

Florida Sen. Marco Rubio confirmed in a recent interview that whatever the origin of these objects it is not the U.S. military. “We have things flying over our military bases and places where we’re conducting military exercises and we don’t know what it is and it isn’t ours,” said Rubio, who is vice chair of the Intelligence Committee.

President Joe Biden rightly points out the real national security and aviation safety risks, from “foreign intelligence collection” to “hazard to civilian air traffic,” that arise from low-tech “balloon-like” entities. I applaud his new order to create an interagency UAP taskforce and a government-wide effort to address unidentified objects, and his proposal to make sure all aerial craft are registered and identifiable according to a global standard is good common-sense.

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However, what the president did not address during his press conference Feb. 16 were the UAP that exhibit advanced performance capabilities. Where is the transparency and urgency from the administration and Congress to investigate highly advanced objects in restricted airspace that our military cannot explain? How will this new taskforce be more effective than existing efforts if we are not being clear and direct about the scope and nature of advanced UAP?

The American public must demand accountability. We need to understand what is in our skies — period.

In the coming days, I will launch Americans for Safe Aerospace (ASA), a new advocacy organization for aerospace safety and national security. ASA will support pilots and other aerospace professionals who are reporting UAP. Our goal is to demand more disclosure from our public officials about this significant safety and national security problem. We will provide credible voices, public education, grassroots activism and lobbying on Capitol Hill to get answers about UAP.

President Biden needs to address this issue as transparently as possible. The White House should not conflate the low-tech objects that were recently shot down with unexplained high-tech, advanced objects witnessed by pilots. Our government needs to admit that it is possible another country has developed game-changing technology. We need to urgently address this threat by bringing together the best minds in our military, intelligence, science and tech sectors. If advanced UAP are not foreign drones, then we absolutely need a robust scientific inquiry into this mystery. Obfuscation and denial are a recipe for more conspiracy theories and greater distrust that stymie our search for the truth.

We need a coordinated, data-driven response that unites the public and private sectors. The North American Aerospace Defense Command, the U.S. Space Force and a host of other military and civilian agencies need to be marshaled in support of a much more aggressive and vigilant effort, along with our scientific community and private industry.

Right now, the pieces of the UAP puzzle are scattered across silos in the military, government and the private sector. We need to integrate and analyze these massive data sets with new methods like AI. We also need to make this data available to the best scientists outside of government.

We have strong supporters of more data sharing. Sen. Rubio has suggested the Pentagon’s All-domain Anomaly Resolution Office (AARO), which was set up by Congress last year, share its data on unidentified objects with academic institutions and civilian scientific organizations. The American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics and the Galileo Project at Harvard, tech startups like Enigma Labs, and traditional defense contractors could all play a role.

Unfortunately, all UAP reports and videos are classified, meaning active-duty pilots cannot come forward publicly and FOIA requests are denied. These are two major steps backwards for transparency, but they can be mitigated with data-sharing.

I am impressed by the recent whistleblower protections enacted last year to encourage more pilots and others to come forward, and I support the fresh push by Rubio and Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand (D-N.Y.) for full funding of AARO. Given the stakes, Congress also needs to fund grants for more scientific inquiry of UAP.

Above all, we need to listen to pilots. Military and civilian pilots provide critical, first-hand insights into advanced UAP. Right now, the stigma attached to reporting UAP is still too strong. Since I came forward about UAP in 2019, only one other pilot from my squadron has gone public. Commercial pilots also face significant risks to their careers for doing so.

New rules are needed to require civilian pilots to report UAP, protect the pilots from retribution, and a process must be established for investigating their reports. Derision or denial over the unknown is unacceptable. This is a time for curiosity.

If the phenomena I witnessed with my own eyes turns out to be foreign drones, they pose an urgent threat to national security and airspace safety. If they are something else, it must be a scientific priority to find out.


TOPICS: UFO's
KEYWORDS: uap; ufo; usn; usnavy
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To: usurper
Why would you attempt to destroy an object possessing performance capability you don't understand and can't compete with?

Have you ever conducted a risk assessment or is your curiosity worth unbound risk?

21 posted on 02/28/2023 9:27:49 AM PST by G Larry ( "woke" means 'stupid enough to fall for the promotion of every human weakness into a virtue')
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To: z3n; Sirius Lee; MeganC; RoosterRedux

22 posted on 02/28/2023 9:30:27 AM PST by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion, or satire, or both.)
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To: RoosterRedux

And non of what he wants to do will answer the question what are they???


23 posted on 02/28/2023 9:32:49 AM PST by Nifster ( I see puppy dogs in the clouds )
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To: BenLurkin

They used to be wary of ever telling us we were ‘visited’ because of the panic and breakdown of society that would ensue.

Now, the bigger problem would be getting us to believe it in the first place. We don’t trust government, politicians - and especially journalists - at all anymore.


24 posted on 02/28/2023 9:51:22 AM PST by Jamestown1630 ("A Republic, if you can keep it.")
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To: MeganC
I have the feeling folks with this level of technology will not be easy targets to 'shoot down'. My uncle was an Air Force pilot in the 1950's - he saw one - 'played some games with it... maneuvers - and a few seconds later it took off at speeds that were 'impossible'.

We might have drones that are more illusion than mass now - but we didn't have that capability 65 - 70 years ago.

25 posted on 02/28/2023 9:54:18 AM PST by GOPJ ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muw22wTePqQ Gumballs: Immigrants by the numbers.)
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To: G Larry
Why would you attempt to destroy an object possessing performance capability you don't understand and can't compete with?

Because they are constantly invading our airspace and we need to know what they are and if the pose a risk to our national security. If they are Chinese, we need to know just how far behind we are.

26 posted on 02/28/2023 9:56:48 AM PST by usurper (AI was born with a birth defect.)
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To: BenLurkin
That's misinformation.

The government has been hiding whatever it is it know about UFOs for over 75 years.

I'm not suggesting I know what they are (UFOs), but to suggest that this is something new in 2023 is blatantly dishonest.

What is your reason for that?

27 posted on 02/28/2023 10:10:35 AM PST by RoosterRedux
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To: usurper

And when we miss and they perceive the aggression, followed by either defensive or retaliatory measures that we can’t cope with, then what?


28 posted on 02/28/2023 10:10:45 AM PST by G Larry ( "woke" means 'stupid enough to fall for the promotion of every human weakness into a virtue')
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To: G Larry

Very true. And even more so for the military.


29 posted on 02/28/2023 10:11:17 AM PST by RoosterRedux
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To: circlecity
I think you are correct about their NOT being aliens from outer space. That has long gone out the window.

That said, there are scientists, like Garry Nolan (Immunologist of Stanford Medical) and Eric Weinstein (physicist, formerly of MIT, now gone private) and many others like them, top men in their fields, have joined the fray.

Their opinion: Whatever it is, it is something not yet understood...but it isn't human.

30 posted on 02/28/2023 10:20:27 AM PST by RoosterRedux
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To: Jamestown1630

Very good point.


31 posted on 02/28/2023 10:21:41 AM PST by RoosterRedux
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To: z3n
Why would they sit on this phenomenon for 50+ years and then suddenly change?

Exactly right.

What I'm hearing is that the military is losing control of the narrative. And on top of that, Congress realizes it has been kept in the dark too and, given that this matter appears to raise questions would national security, they are pissed about it

32 posted on 02/28/2023 10:25:03 AM PST by RoosterRedux
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To: GOPJ

Thx for that account. I know people who have seen them too. Up close and personal.


33 posted on 02/28/2023 10:26:29 AM PST by RoosterRedux
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To: z3n
Why would they sit on this phenomenon for 50+ years...

This has been going on for a lot more than 50 years.

Governments do not know what it is and governments cannot do anything about it. That last part is what they don't want people to know and the main reason for all the secrecy.

...and then [why] suddenly change?

A cynical move to distract people from economic crisis and the increasing failure of government to manage or control world affairs. The "elites" just are not as smart as they believe themselves to be.

Or maybe there has been some falling out between the Reptilian master race and their Earth-descended minions who rule over the rest of us. See the John Carpenter movie "They Live" for details. Stock up on your Hoffman lenses.

34 posted on 02/28/2023 10:28:10 AM PST by flamberge (We don't get the government we vote for. We get the government we will tolerate.)
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To: Crusher138

Numbers 1 & 2 are improbable but could be true;

Number 4 can be ruled out since these thing have been around for millennia.

That leaves number 3 as the most likely. There are many many anomalies that cannot bear close scrutiny.

There is also number 5. They are alien and the reason why we have been told so little for so long is because the aliens do not want it yet - at least 2 or more high placed individuals have said that’s the case.


35 posted on 02/28/2023 10:30:43 AM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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To: flamberge
'Governments do not know what it is and governments cannot do anything about it.'

I think that's about the size of it. I don't think all the things being seen represent the same phenomenon, there is probably a lot of different stuff going on. But I don't think governments have much clue about the 5% or so that has historically been really inexplicable.
36 posted on 02/28/2023 10:37:54 AM PST by Jamestown1630 ("A Republic, if you can keep it.")
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To: Jamestown1630

Governments don’t want to look impotent to their subjects.


37 posted on 02/28/2023 10:53:39 AM PST by FrankRizzo890
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To: RoosterRedux

” why didn’t the military use a drone (the RQ-4 Global Hawk has a 60,000+/- ft max altitude)? A drone could have relayed some clear photos back to base.”

The military got plenty of photos of the small northern objects from F-22s. The photos are classified like all sensor data from F-22s. Those objects were around 20,000 feet. Plus, the U2 vastly out climbs the Global Hawks and was used for the large balloon at 60,000 feet+, including the famous pic from above.

“I guess the sidewinders might have obliterated the evidence, but why would the military do that?”

Because they were ordered to.


38 posted on 02/28/2023 11:21:17 AM PST by steve86 (Numquam accusatus, numquam ad curiam ibit, numquam ad carcerem™)
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To: usurper

“I’ve never read that we attempted to bring one down until the balloon fiasco.”

It depends what you mean by “we”. Foreign militaries, yes, as far back as WWII, according to folklore (probably true) relayed from the families of the deceased foreign pilots who encountered some sort of retaliatory action.


39 posted on 02/28/2023 11:33:22 AM PST by steve86 (Numquam accusatus, numquam ad curiam ibit, numquam ad carcerem™)
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To: PIF

The point of my post was that there are things under consideration that aren’t little green men.

There are some on this forum who dismiss the entire topic as hogwash with derogatory, ignorant comments mocking those who think that there is something to it. I was just saying that to bring up aliens every time the topic comes up is disingenuous. It may not be aliens. There are very good reasons to believe the unexplained sightings are not aliens.

After following this topic for many decades I am of the belief that it isn’t any one thing. While I cannot go into any detail, I do know that some of the sightings are craft that we fly that we have not yet made public. I do know that we have methods of propulsion that are not common knowledge. It has been explained to me that not all of this advancement was, lets say, home grown. Again...not necessarily alien, just not developed in house.

The unidentified craft that have been sighted by our military as of late are not ours or those of rival nations. According to a well placed source there are videos and tracking information that have been shown to members of Congress that show beyond a shadow of a doubt that it is technology that defies currently understood laws of physics. Unfortunately the videos also show data collection abilities that we are not willing to admit to at this time, so they are not being shown to the public. It has been shared with me that the objects fly cold and do appear to be - for want of a better term - warping gravity as a means of propulsion. Our ability to detect that is one of the things that we aren’t willing to admit we can do.

All that to say...it’s complicated. Imagine, if you will, there is a civilization tens of thousands of years old keeping an eye on us AND at some point in the future we devise a way to be able to send probes back in time to monitor historical events AND under the right conditions, in the right locations, the borders between dimensions can be crossed and have been crossed. Why don’t all UAP look the same? Maybe because they don’t all come from the same place.


40 posted on 02/28/2023 11:45:30 AM PST by Crusher138 ("Then conquer we must, for our cause it is just")
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