Free Republic
Browse · Search
General/Chat
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

“This Is What Your Worlds Are Lacking”: Artists Are Using AI To Create Fat, Black Sci-Fi And Fantasy Characters
Buzzfeed ^ | 02/25/2023 | Cheyenne M. Davis

Posted on 02/26/2023 7:44:55 AM PST by Drew68

“Fat, Black people deserve to be main characters capable of anything.”

As a young child growing up in Greenville, North Carolina, artist Alex Smith spent a lot of his time engrossed in the world of cartoons and comics, devouring works like Battle of the Planets, X-Men, and Doom Patrol.

In college, Smith first encountered science fiction novels by Octavia E. Butler and Samuel R. Delany, both of whom he admired because “they were Black and absolutely, phenomenally awesome.”

“They both showed me that sci-fi could have literary quality, could be progressive and liberatory,” Smith added. “Just their ideas, world-building, and love of language fascinated me.”

He was hooked. “Sci-fi is kinda like my church,” said Smith, who is now age 47 and living in Philadelphia. “It’s spiritual and very much connected to who I am as a Black, queer person.” The problem with his church, however, is that there isn’t very much Black (or queer) representation.

Mainstream sci-fi features Black characters like Morpheus from The Matrix, Mace Windu from Star Wars, and Lt. Commander La Forge and Nyota Uhura from Star Trek. But in general, Black characters aren’t afforded the same prominence and screentime as their white counterparts. And when Black people are present, they tend to be cishet assumed and conventionally attractive. Fat, Black bodies are a rarity.

“It just astonishes me that fat people in general are treated and depicted as second-class citizens in science fiction works, or they're made to represent something like greed, lust, or villainy,” Smith said, pointing to the character of Baron Vladimir Harkonnen in Dune.undefinedundefined“I used to do a queer sci-fi reading series called Laser Life,” he added, “and when I was on the hunt for guest readers, the very first story I received depicted a villain who was fat. The character's fatness was described in loathsome terms and was considered an obvious indicator of their villainy. It’s really disappointing.”

So when easily accessible AI art generators came along last year, Smith, already an established visual artist, adopted these tools to create several Black, fat, and queer characters from a more inclusive futuristic world. Among them was Marcus, whom Smith brought to life using Midjourney and D-ID, an AI platform that creates talking avatars. Marcus heads up a division of the Electric Afro Science Institute, which Smith called “a superhero-led independent afrofuturist organization that works in biomechanics, cosmic engineering, nanotechnology, medical alchemy.”

Smith described Marcus, who is queer, as “kind of a smart alec. A big, cuddly nerd who thinks he’s a little bit gangster. He likes studying moths and ants and tries to see what about the lives of insects can be replicable in human life.” In one animated portrait of Marcus, which Smith posted on his Instagram, the character asks, “Who out here gonna draw me?”

“[The question is] Marcus saying, Hey, I have a right to exist, even if I’m “artificial.” I still came from a human mind and a human idea. I should exist,” Smith explained. He added, “It’s kind of a declaration that both Marcus and my work will always exist to provide that challenge to other artists by holding up a mirror and saying, ‘Hey, this is what your worlds are lacking.’”

Smith is not alone in holding up that mirror. A number of other Black creators are using AI to build more inclusive worlds. Take Jervae, a 38-year-old, San Diego–based performance artist and spiritualist who uses Midjourney to make ethereal portraits of themself and other fat, Black femmes. “When using my own image prompts, I use descriptors like ‘imagine this image as a body of water’ or ‘imagine this as a poster for an alien nail salon’ to explore different versions of myself,” they said.

Rochelle Brock, a 27-year-old Brooklyn-based, size-inclusive beauty and lifestyle photographer, got into digital art via creating families on The Sims. Now, she uses Midjourney to explore both the quotidian aspects of fat, Black life and to create more majestic pieces that showcase fat, Black bodies in the form of angels, mermaids, and other mythical creatures.

“It sort of sucks to know you are undesirable and underrepresented in the real world and the fantasy world as well,” Brock said. “I see fat women as beautiful beings who are capable of anything, and I wanted AI to see them as that also.”

And then there’s @fatniggaai, a 33-year-old North Carolina artist who asked that BuzzFeed News not use her real name. @fatniggaai describes her AI art as a visual ode to “those who are fat, Black, dark-skinned, queer, trans, working-class poor, who access education outside of institutions, who are crazy/mad and who are hood.” They largely use Midjourney to create their art, which ranges from the “playful” and “unthinkably gorgeous” to the more terrifying.

“My AI work is an extension of me inviting myself and other fat, Black queer trans folks to see ourselves in the most expansive way possible,” said @fatniggaai, who added that she wasn’t particularly into sci-fi, but appreciated the worldbuilding aspect of it. “What I'm really interested in with my AI art is depictions of fat, Black queer and trans folks that are rooted in not being beautiful but rooted in being terrifying and looking very off-putting while also spilling over with agency.”

The latest AI art generators “democratize art by giving people access to programs that are fairly low cost,” Susan Morris, a writer and professor at Georgia Tech, told BuzzFeed News. But when it comes to creating fat, Black renders, there are a number of obstacles.

Jervae noted that they have to be as specific as possible when using keywords pertaining to fatness and Blackness. “When I first started recreating myself in Midjourney, I realized that I couldn’t just put in the word ‘fat.’ I have to write things like ‘very, very fat, with a double chin and wide nose’ and ‘a very, very large belly,’” they said. “If I say anything like ‘beautiful’ or ‘pretty,’ it automatically makes me thin and/or have eurocentric features.”

And there are other hindrances. “Midjourney won’t let me say things like ‘big butt’ or upload images with any cleavage whatsoever,” Jervae said. “But I do notice that thin models, of course, can show whatever they like in their prompts without being flagged.” @fatniggaai said that prompts like “intersex” and, at some point, even “hairy” were banned.

@fatniggaai pointed out other limitations. She recalled trying to generate images of fat, Black people lounging on couches. “I even added words like ‘spacious,’ but the couches were vacuum-sealed onto these fat bodies.” She called it “wild” that a “machine that has access to every image in the world ever produced is so restrictive in its imaginative capacity that it has decided that if a person is fat, and they are sitting on a couch, that they should be too big for it.”

“That blew my mind that I have to ask AI for accommodations,” they added.

On the other hand, AI can be surprisingly good when it comes to skin tones for fat, Black bodies. “The images I generate are almost exclusively of dark-skinned folks, and a benevolent byproduct of racism is that AI has only considered Black, fat people as dark-skinned,” @fatniggaai said.

As imperfect and rooted in white supremacy as AI image generators may be, the artists BuzzFeed News spoke to saw them as important tools for self-expression and proper representation. Smith pointed out why his AI-generated character Marcus is important: “He’s more crush material for burgeoning young queer boys who might think there isn’t a person out there who looks like them or who they can fall in love with.”

For Brock, the message of her artwork is clear and simple. “Fat, Black people deserve to be main characters capable of anything,” she said. “We are just here like everyone else.”


TOPICS: Arts/Photography; Computers/Internet; TV/Movies; Weird Stuff
KEYWORDS: black; blacksupremacy; fat; fatblack
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-4041-6061-62 next last
To: Drew68
Here, I temporarily abandoned the Succubi pictures and decided to cross Scarlett Johansen with Jennifer Love Hewlett.

The Scarlett is strong with the first one.

41 posted on 02/26/2023 9:04:44 AM PST by DannyTN
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: DannyTN

Maybe you should try an obese Wonder Woman instead of a succubus.


42 posted on 02/26/2023 9:07:52 AM PST by DejaJude (I'll be back, again.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 41 | View Replies]

To: Drew68

Having written fourteen novels, seven of which are on Amazon, here’s my take on characters. If a character has a trait; a limp, a lisp, a verbal tick or that character is a race different from other characters, it needs to be for a reason. Either it’s for differentiating the character from others or it is integral to the plot. Having a black character in medieval England without explanation will be jarring and off-putting to the reader. The reader will keep expecting that trait to be important at some point. Another problem is characters are caricatures. Only the main character can be fully fleshed-out. So, you’re going to have a black person in a role originally written for a different race you’ll either have to imbue him with what people consider black traits, or you’ll be constantly pointing out that he’s black even though he doesn’t “sound” black or “act” black. An agent told me about a novel I had submitted if I made the main characters gay, he’d represent it. I reread the whole thing wondering how to handle the change and nothing in the plot worked the same way. Plotting a novel or movie is like building anything else.
You design to accomplish a particular task. You wouldn’t, for example, install a lounge chair in a race car. (This was when I decided to go back to engineering.)


43 posted on 02/26/2023 9:22:56 AM PST by Gen.Blather (Wait! I said that out loud? )
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Drew68

“Get woke, go broke” is going to apply *ahem* big-time, with this.


44 posted on 02/26/2023 9:29:24 AM PST by simpson96
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: DejaJude
Maybe you should try an obese Wonder Woman instead of a succubus.


45 posted on 02/26/2023 9:30:23 AM PST by DannyTN
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 42 | View Replies]

To: pepsi_junkie

I agree. Anything recent is basically woke trash. Typically very creative, but far too much woke nonsense. I currently limit myself to older books before Western culture went insane.


46 posted on 02/26/2023 9:43:37 AM PST by Fzob
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 28 | View Replies]

To: Gen.Blather

“Plotting a novel or movie is like building anything else.“

Damn right. Change a line on page 38 and totally screw up something on page 92!


47 posted on 02/26/2023 9:47:33 AM PST by TalBlack (We have a Christian duty and a patriotic duty. God help us.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 43 | View Replies]

Comment #48 Removed by Moderator

To: DannyTN
Lol, the first one looks like a little person but the second looks like she could still kick some butt.
49 posted on 02/26/2023 10:26:52 AM PST by DejaJude (I'll be back, again.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 45 | View Replies]

To: Drew68

Baby got back.


50 posted on 02/26/2023 10:32:46 AM PST by moovova ("The NEXT election is the most important election of our lifetimes!“ LOL...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Ransomed

Hey why does it have to be a first step? Walking so white! It should be twerking out of the shuttle toward the nearest mars McDonalds listening to Lil STD or whoever is in fashion.


51 posted on 02/26/2023 11:04:04 AM PST by Dragonspirit (CNN is the enemy. Ashli Babbitt is the hero.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 9 | View Replies]

To: Drew68

52 posted on 02/26/2023 11:29:42 AM PST by Tench_Coxe
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Drew68
“It’s spiritual and very much connected to who I am as a Black, queer person.”

Of course.....

53 posted on 02/26/2023 12:19:50 PM PST by Rummyfan (In any war between the civilized man and the savage, support the civilized of man.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Drew68
Rochelle Brock, a 27-year-old Brooklyn-based, size-inclusive beauty and lifestyle photographer, got into digital art via creating families on The Sims. Now, she uses Midjourney to explore both the quotidian aspects of fat, Black life and to create more majestic pieces that showcase fat, Black bodies in the form of angels, mermaids, and other mythical creatures.

“It sort of sucks to know you are undesirable and underrepresented in the real world and the fantasy world as well,” Brock said. “I see fat women as beautiful beings who are capable of anything...

Except running a marathon...

54 posted on 02/26/2023 12:24:42 PM PST by Rummyfan (In any war between the civilized man and the savage, support the civilized of man.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Celerity

Don’t forget Blade.


55 posted on 02/26/2023 12:31:26 PM PST by Organic Panic (Democrats. Memories as short as Joe Biden's eyes)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 25 | View Replies]

To: Tench_Coxe
I remember in the Navy taking a train from Portsmouth to London for some liberty and looking out my window to see the Battersea Power Station. I was so excited and started snapping pics.

My traveling companions had no idea what I was looking at. They weren't Pink Floyd fans.

56 posted on 02/26/2023 12:35:08 PM PST by Drew68 (Ron DeSantis for President 2024)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 52 | View Replies]

To: Drew68

I don’t think she understands the histories of most of those mythical creatures... They originated with white, European cultures.

Dummy.


57 posted on 02/26/2023 12:48:03 PM PST by Tacrolimus1mg (Do no harm, but take no sh!t.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Fresh Wind

That’s my spirit animal.


58 posted on 02/26/2023 1:48:56 PM PST by Repeat Offender (While the wicked stand confounded, call me with Thy saints surrounded.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 10 | View Replies]

To: Drew68

Wasn’t she in Dune?


59 posted on 02/26/2023 1:58:14 PM PST by Fledermaus (It's time to get rid of the Three McStooges; Mitch, Kevin and Ronna!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: dfwgator

That video is hilarious.


60 posted on 02/26/2023 2:38:12 PM PST by Disambiguator
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 20 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-4041-6061-62 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
General/Chat
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson