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Biden Should Give Ukraine What It Needs to Win
The New York Times (via MSN.com) ^ | 18 February 2023 | Nicholas Kristof

Posted on 02/18/2023 3:30:19 PM PST by zeestephen

While the risk of escalation can't be ruled out, it must be balanced against the risks of allowing this conflict to drag on as Ukrainians and Russians are killed daily. Putin will negotiate seriously when he sees no military path forward — and that may happen if his hold on Crimea becomes untenable.

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Have fun with this one!

1 posted on 02/18/2023 3:30:19 PM PST by zeestephen
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To: zeestephen

Afganistan III
A fools mission


2 posted on 02/18/2023 3:33:48 PM PST by Zathras
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To: zeestephen

After all, Ukraine has given us so much.


3 posted on 02/18/2023 3:36:23 PM PST by Steely Tom ([Voter Fraud] == [Civil War])
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To: zeestephen

GIBS-ME-DAT whatever things/resources/money that Zelensky asks for.


4 posted on 02/18/2023 3:36:56 PM PST by House Atreides (I’m now ULTRA-MAGA. -PRO-MAX)
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To: zeestephen

I’ll give them a middle finger salute, if that’ll help.


5 posted on 02/18/2023 3:38:15 PM PST by Fireone (The only reason our elections are complicated is because the cheaters want it that way.)
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To: zeestephen

Including US Troops ?
Don’t think so……


6 posted on 02/18/2023 3:38:31 PM PST by wardamneagle
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To: zeestephen

And suck us in even deeper too. Brilliant.


7 posted on 02/18/2023 3:39:10 PM PST by GrumpyOldGuy
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To: Zathras

“While the risk of escalation can’t be ruled out”

Speaking of escalation, welcome to the last rung.

“In this widely discussed and influential book, Herman Kahn probes the dynamics of escalation and demonstrates how the intensification of conflict can be depicted by means of a definite escalation ladder, ascent of which brings opponents closer to all-out war. At each rung of the ladder, before the climb proceeds, decisions must be made based on numerous choices. Some are clear and obvious, others obscure, but the options are always there.

Thermonuclear annihilation, says Kahn, is unlikely to come through accident; but nations may elect to climb the ladder to extinction. The basic material for the book was developed in briefings delivered by Kahn to military and civilian experts and revised in the light of his findings of a trip to Vietnam in the 1960s. In On Escalation he states the facts squarely. He asks the reader to face unemotionally the terrors of a world fully capable of suicide and to consider carefully the alternatives to such a path.

In the never-never land of nuclear warfare, where nuclear incredulity is pervasive and paralyzing to the imagination even for the professional analyst, salient details of possible scenarios for the outbreak of war, and even more for war fighting, are largely unexplored or even unnoticed. For scenarios in which war is terminated, the issues and possibilities of which are almost completely unstudied, the situation is even worse. Kahn’s discussion throws light on the terrain and gives the individual a sense of the range of possibilities and complexities involved and are useful.”

Herman Kahn 1965


8 posted on 02/18/2023 3:41:32 PM PST by hardspunned (Former DC GOP globalist stooge)
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To: zeestephen

“Just say no” to squandering our blood and treasure, so that politicians in Washington can profit, from the in-your-face graft that these crooks “pretend” is defense of “democracy!”


9 posted on 02/18/2023 3:41:43 PM PST by old school
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To: zeestephen

Not our circus. Not our monkeys.

Russia’s invasion of Ukraine is a war crime. I don’t care how corrupt Ukraine is.

Now here’s the thing. The EU’s economy is comparable to our own. If the EU wants to spend money to help Ukraine, fine. More power to them. But it’s not our circus. And it’s not our monkeys. Did I mention that before?


10 posted on 02/18/2023 3:42:32 PM PST by Leaning Right (The steal is real.)
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To: zeestephen

They didn’t say anything like that when Ford wanted to rebuild the ARVN after they successfully defeated the NVA in Spring of 1972.


11 posted on 02/18/2023 3:43:04 PM PST by Retain Mike ( Sat Cong)
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To: zeestephen

Perhaps we can just turn control of our nuclear arsenal over to Lord Zelensky.


12 posted on 02/18/2023 3:44:22 PM PST by Right Brother
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To: zeestephen

Vietnam.
Afghanistan.
Iraq.
Ukraine.

Will America ever learn? I guess not until Treasury bonds go to junk bond status.


13 posted on 02/18/2023 3:46:06 PM PST by entropy12 (Food is most popular anxiety drug, exercise is the least popular.)
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To: zeestephen

Putin should give America what it needs to win, take out the New York Times. /spit


14 posted on 02/18/2023 3:46:21 PM PST by Flavious_Maximus (Tony Fauci will be put on death row and die of COVID!)
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To: zeestephen
Apparently that would be the pensions of Americans:

Biden is now literally selling investments of US pensions to fund Ukrainian pensions

15 posted on 02/18/2023 3:46:53 PM PST by Tench_Coxe
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To: Leaning Right

Right on! That is the real truth.


16 posted on 02/18/2023 3:47:37 PM PST by entropy12 (Food is most popular anxiety drug, exercise is the least popular.)
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To: zeestephen
Ukraine has no chance of winning no matter what we give them.

If we got involved directly in this war, Ukraine still wouldn't win.

17 posted on 02/18/2023 3:50:08 PM PST by Kazan
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To: zeestephen

Nikki Haley said Biden should’ve given Ukraine EVERYTHING it need at the very beginning.

Hard to believe she was our rep to the UN.


18 posted on 02/18/2023 3:50:50 PM PST by MayflowerMadam (Stupid is supposed to hurt.)
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To: Leaning Right
Can you be anymore hypocritical?

Russia has far better reasons to be in Ukraine than we did in either Iraq war. And, certainly better reasons than why we bombed Serbia and have troops on the ground in Syria.

War crimes? It's the Ukrainians that have used civilians as human shields, targeted civilians in Donetsk city and shelled a nuclear power plant.

Blowing up the Nord Stream pipelines was a war crime.

You and your neocon buddies lie like you breath.

19 posted on 02/18/2023 3:54:08 PM PST by Kazan
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20 posted on 02/18/2023 3:54:25 PM PST by aMorePerfectUnion (Fraud vitiates everything. )
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