Posted on 02/17/2023 11:23:39 AM PST by Red Badger
We had Britannica (old set circa 1950’s), World Book and Colliers (both 1960’s).......................
I had a Finance class with tests like that.
The tests were take home and the questions very convoluted.
I was in the first calculator generation. I bought my first scientific calculator when I was about 11. Just a couple years older and I would know how to use a slide rule. As it is I still learned log tables though they were becoming a memory by then.
“All we had was an encyclopedia and the Library..”
...and we liked it...
our Britannica was pretty old too- not sure what year though- We also had a Britannica like set of just animals-
Read most of that too - to this day an animal will be shown on TV aND pieces of info/facts about said animal will pop into my head about them- useless knowledge but fun-
Still have my CRC Standard Mathematical Tables and Formula book......................
The Bill Clinton School of Scholarship. That is why all his records of all sorts from Georgetown U are under lock and key.
We bought our daughter a complete set of new Britannicas in the early 90’s when she started school.
Never opened a single one all the way thru HS....................
Yup- and We felt privileged having them too- it was our gateway to the exotic “foreign” world really- Nowadays though you can do virtual tours with 3-d goggles to see places- and take virtual road trips with google maps with street view- Times sure have changed-
I worked my way up from clean up guy to machine operator to setup guy, then cnc programmer, then manufacturing engineer, then sr engineer, then management, finally retired as Director of research. My view is unorthodox. If a tool is available, let people use it. If it saves time and money without affecting the quality of output, let people use it. I didn’t get to take a college calculus course, but Mathcad let me do differential equations. The amount of knowledge out there is increasing at a much faster rate than educators can teach it. Even now at my age, I want to write software, but the code language requirements for language and documentation change constantly. I’m looking into which AI can translate my logic into a specific code. Kids nowadays have the biggest library known to humanity on their portable phone. If there is a tool that collects and organizes data for them, let them use it. However, as a teacher use the same AI to read the paper and generate a test from it. Then have the student take the test that is based on the following standard. 20 true/false - 1 point each, 20 multiple choice, 2 points each. 10 fill in the blank, 2 points each, one essay question using the 5 paragraph format intro, 3 assertion paragraphs , 1 conclusion paragraph 30 points.
The test must be taken with no electronic aid. This will demonstrate that the student has read, understood, and has memory of his paper. Each student will get a personalized test so cheating will be hard. See it’s simple, don’t deny use of technology, just adjust to it.
ugggh- She doesn’t know what she’s missing- The internet is a good source for info, but nothing really beats sitting down w/ an encyclopedia and read about places or people or animals etc- in my opinion anyways- I woudl get lost in a volume for hours on end-
The internet is ok of course for info- but just not the same as ‘book learning’
If anything, this show how clever the students are.
If you want to find the easiest and quickest method to get a certain job done, give it to your laziest employee.
He will find that method....................
When did IB become such a big thing? We had Regents Diplomas in NY state when I was a kid, but that was only at the state level.
Yeah, if your usual submission reads "Then Churchill sez 2 Hitler 'Ur a looser'" and all of a sudden you're pumping out Bertrand Russell essays, you're going to get caught... The only way to avoid this is to cheat all the time from the very beginning.
Technology isn’t the problem here.
The lack of integrity is.
Yep, even solving differential equations as I discovered. Yet, some FReeper claimed all it does is “looks up answers in a database”. lol
Calculators were coming out about the time I was graduating from high school, but they were really expensive and wouldn’t do all that much. I still have my old Pickett slide rule. I must admit my memory wasn’t nearly good enough to learn log tables, though I certainly know how to use them.
That was always my trouble with encyclopedias. I’d look up whatever I was after, then get sidetracked for quite a while reading other entries. Never knew where a trip into World Book Land was going to take me.
We had a Britannica from the early 50s and a World Book from about 1962. The latter was kept near the family dinner table to verify disputed facts.
Yeah, I’m trying to figure out how it can do all that with 175k lines of code.
How many lines in external libraries is unknown. When ChatGPT solves a specific differential equation, for example, it isn't just doing predictive language processing. It must rely on algorithmic code for that. Do you agree?
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