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Make Linux safer… or die trying
The Register ^ | 14 February 2023 | Liam Proven

Posted on 02/15/2023 10:57:59 AM PST by ShadowAce

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1 posted on 02/15/2023 10:57:59 AM PST by ShadowAce
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To: rdb3; JosephW; martin_fierro; Still Thinking; zeugma; Vinnie; ironman; Egon; raybbr; AFreeBird; ...

2 posted on 02/15/2023 10:58:12 AM PST by ShadowAce (Linux - The Ultimate Windows Service Pack )
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To: ShadowAce

I love that graphic. It shows how Linux geeks behave just like sheep.


3 posted on 02/15/2023 11:04:53 AM PST by Mr. K (No consequence of repealing Obamacare is worse than Obamacare)
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To: ShadowAce

It is possible to over-think things.


4 posted on 02/15/2023 11:11:50 AM PST by SpaceBar
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To: Mr. K
Old graphic, but still applicable:


5 posted on 02/15/2023 11:13:21 AM PST by ShadowAce (Linux - The Ultimate Windows Service Pack )
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To: ShadowAce
Windows NT was built with modularity of the PC platform in mind by a very large, monolithic support company...Microsoft. Huge support and proprietary control of the source code.

Early UNIX was tailored to a proprietary hardware platform offered by each vendor. The hardware was tightly controlled. The software was highly optimized to the proprietary hardware. The tight control of hardware/software generated a high performance system with few bugs.

Linux tries to be Windows and UNIX. The hardware platform is massively broad and not controlled. The OS source is open source. Instead of one hardware/one OS, you have a plethora of hardware configs and a plethora of tailored configurations (distros) seeking to please everyone. Sometimes you are blessed with both a good hardware and good distro pairing, but it's a crap shoot.

Apple is patterned more like early UNIX. They tightly control the hardware platform and create a highly optimized UNIX OS with a pretty UI.

6 posted on 02/15/2023 11:25:22 AM PST by Myrddin
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Isn’t this a problem that “docker containers” are supposed to solve?

You can create a virtualizable “container” that gets a task done, and all the funky linux choice and special linux config and extra library installation is localized to the container.

A server farm set up to run containers has computers with their “bare-metal” Linux properly set up to run Docker or whatever virtualization solution is called for. Docker / Kubernetes (container orchestration system ) simply fires up a particular container, that container’s Linux setup oddities are essentially quarantined, it processes data, and then gets shut down.

That’s my understanding, at least.


7 posted on 02/15/2023 11:45:47 AM PST by Yossarian
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To: Myrddin

Very much agree. The distro maze has made Linux a very schizophrenic OS akin to multiple personality disorder, coupled by too much free software riddled with bugs that go unpatched and security vulnerabilities that often go ignored. If you are trying to break into Linux as a user, get ready to get ignored or told, arrogantly, by the community to Read the f’ing manual (which usually doesn’t exist in any meaningful detail because coders wanna code, not write docs), and even if you did that, fix or patch whatever feature into the project yourself. There are exceptions,
of course, but they’re rare. Outside purpose built appliances or devops, Linux just ain’t worth the trouble.


8 posted on 02/15/2023 11:48:57 AM PST by Intar
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To: ShadowAce

I met Linus online in the early 1990’s. We ported everything from SCO to Linux. At one point we put Linux on a stack of floppy drives and sent it to some guys to look at that were running their stuff on some commercial version of Unix. Maybe I built one of the first “Distros”, lol.

Linux has been great. We had one Slack server running in a corner for years we never touched. I don’t think it was cycled for 3-4 years and it was running DPT drives arrays under load all the time.


9 posted on 02/15/2023 11:57:20 AM PST by isthisnickcool (1218 - NEVER FORGET!)
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To: Intar
The 90s called.

They miss you.

10 posted on 02/15/2023 11:59:42 AM PST by ShadowAce (Linux - The Ultimate Windows Service Pack )
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To: ShadowAce

Nope, still going on today.


11 posted on 02/15/2023 12:09:56 PM PST by Intar
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To: Openurmind

Ping.


12 posted on 02/15/2023 12:18:29 PM PST by Carriage Hill (A society grows great when old men plant trees, in whose shade they know they will never sit.)
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I rented out my CP/M machine to a computer dealer in exchange for a fully commented copy of the UNIX kernel code with annotations from the University of New South Wales in 1980. The first time I got my hands on a real UNIX system was a 3B20 at Pacific Telephone on a network shared with Bjarne Stroustrup in August 1983. The Bell System machines had full source code installed for everything. It was a perfect way to learn by reading all of the source to every command line utility, the kernel and having access to early versions of C++. I never looked back. Since 1983 I've worked as deep as kernel device drivers in HP-UX and as broad as networks of 12000 UNIX machines for the Army Corps of Engineers. Linux is something I can run at my home and build technology that my employer and customers needs. Fedora and Ubuntu are my distros of choice. For embedded systems, I used Debian to leverage the slower pace of patching.
13 posted on 02/15/2023 12:27:44 PM PST by Myrddin
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To: ShadowAce

I still sacrifice a goat once a month to give thanks for not having to “./configure, make, make install” for every piece of software I want to install.


14 posted on 02/15/2023 1:51:28 PM PST by Paal Gulli
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I used to be a big Fedora and Ubuntu user for years. Loved the stability and maturity of Fedora and the driver support and package manager of Ubuntu - made learning new projects a snap. Now that Fedora is expensive and Ubuntu has embraced gathering telemetric data from it’s users I’ve fallen out of love with both distros - Not a fan of Fedora core. I’ve moved back to Debian - 3rd time now. Each distro has pros and cons and I wish there was an industry standard for driver and package managers as that would make adoption of Linux so much wider for general users. I know why this standardization will likely never occur, but I can dream.


15 posted on 02/15/2023 2:38:12 PM PST by Intar
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16 posted on 02/15/2023 2:38:22 PM PST by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: Paal Gulli

I definately don’t miss the days of trying and often failing to compile source code and creating kernal hooks to get some software running.


17 posted on 02/15/2023 2:40:27 PM PST by Intar
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To: Carriage Hill

Thank you my friend!


18 posted on 02/15/2023 3:25:45 PM PST by Openurmind (The ultimate test of a moral society is the kind of world it leaves to its children. ~ D. Bonhoeffer)
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To: ShadowAce

I mostly love my Linux Mint 20 distro. I see no reason to upgrade to whatever the current version is. It just works (mostly). The only problem I run into is some of the video and photo editing software I like, doesn’t work in Linux which is really stupid but it is what it is so I have a dual boot machine with Winblows10 on the other drive. A separate drive. I have a 3rd drive that is formatted to be able to be read by Win10 and Linux so that’s where I put files I want to mess with after booting into Winblows.

Other than some kind memory leak that developed when using Firefox which requires me to close FF, this Linux machine can stay running for a month or two between reboots sometimes. It’s that stable.

I hate when I boot into winblows and it wants to update all kinds of stuff or verify this or that. A real time waster. I wish I could just turn all that stuff off permanently.

Mac/Apple is okay. No complaints but I never took a shine to it. Too proprietary. The iPhones are nice and stable too. Then again so is Android on the Samsung phones I’ve had. Great cameras and the OS just works.


19 posted on 02/15/2023 4:24:42 PM PST by Boomer (The biden regime / identity politics is a clear and present threat to this constitutional republic.)
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And that is why you should probably stay away from the Big leagues of Linux. You first need to be able to tell the difference between a Penguin and a Sheep...


20 posted on 02/15/2023 4:54:36 PM PST by Openurmind (The ultimate test of a moral society is the kind of world it leaves to its children. ~ D. Bonhoeffer)
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