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‘And then 2022 happened’: I borrowed $500,000 from friends and family to invest in the stock market, foolishly promising a 10% return. Can I avoid legal action?
Market Watch ^ | Quentin Fottrell

Posted on 02/13/2023 2:23:36 PM PST by Fido969

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To: Romulus

I’ve made good money in my life in the stock market. Lost some too. It’s not all speculation, it takes research on particular investments and an understanding of the economic conditions (which are subject to change). But there are no guarantees and I would certainly not recommend borrowing money for it as that is nonsensical.


41 posted on 02/13/2023 2:56:13 PM PST by Rusty0604 (Desperately looking for new conspiracy theories as all the old ones have come true)
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To: Fido969

Stupidity sometimes just can’t be cured. Some of the kids that are playing in the stock market through Robinhood and other such sites are looking for get rich schemes. They know nothing of stocks, the economy, and what news may make the market go up or down. They do no research on a company’s fundamentals, can’t read reports, and just assume that if you buy a stock at a certain price, the stock goes up in value each following day.

A commenter on one site regarding a stock that was being discussed actually stated, “I hope this stock goes up this week, my rent is due next week”. And he was serious! You don’t put the rent money into stocks anymore than you put your rent money in the slot machines. You will NOT win! And the rent will still be due.


42 posted on 02/13/2023 2:57:08 PM PST by CFW (old and retired)
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To: Fido969

If he could put a minus sign before the 10% on the promissory note and convince the court that it was always there he might be ok.

I had a -10% return on my investments over the last year and frankly I think I did pretty good.


43 posted on 02/13/2023 2:58:01 PM PST by P-Marlowe (I got the <ΙΧΘΥΣ>< variant. Catch it. John 3:16)
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To: monkeyshine
The original purpose of options would be to protect manufacturers, farmers, etc, from market risk. Getting a guaranteed price for corn, pork, copper, whatever. Of course, there would always have to be a speculator on the other side.

I worked with a company that dealt in a particular commodity. They had long-term contracts for manufacture and delivery, and the raw material would fluctuate in price.

So, for them, options were a perfect business-related solution. No problem with that activity on the balance sheet and P&L.

Of course, after a while, the buyers and execs started getting fancy and started getting options for more than they needed to hedge the production requirements.

All fun and games until the inevitable big loss came along.

44 posted on 02/13/2023 2:58:37 PM PST by Fido969 (45 is Superman! )
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To: Fido969

This person is a fool. If he owed me money I’d send someone to his house to motivate him.


45 posted on 02/13/2023 2:59:58 PM PST by rexthecat
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To: Fido969

He is going to be a lonely guy.


46 posted on 02/13/2023 3:01:21 PM PST by moviefan8 (You know, when you boil life down, it's funny just how little you need, isn't it? - Rip Wheeler)
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To: Fido969

“I took on a large cash infusion of $500,000 from friends and family under the guise of a promise I made to issue a 10% return on their money.”

What a maroon.


47 posted on 02/13/2023 3:04:13 PM PST by Brooklyn Attitude (I went to bed on November 3rd 2020 and woke up in 1984.)
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To: SteveH
A year or so ago I put my wife's IRA in money funds. It's funny, because I am also on a fiduciary oversight group that reviews a public investment portfolio.

One day after a long presentation about market segment, equities v bonds, etc, I burst out “Why would anyone put their money in this stock market? Why not just put it in cash and wait it out?”

Everyone looked at me like I was from Mars.

Meanwhile, the managed investment portfolio is down 10% over the last year.

My wife's IRA sitting in government money funds has been making 4%.

48 posted on 02/13/2023 3:04:17 PM PST by Fido969 (45 is Superman! )
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To: Fido969

Find another line of work, moron.
Options and futures are a fool’s errand.


49 posted on 02/13/2023 3:04:23 PM PST by Carriage Hill (A society grows great when old men plant trees, in whose shade they know they will never sit.)
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To: Fido969

I don’t know who are the greater fools, you or the idiots who gave you money.

Amen


50 posted on 02/13/2023 3:05:21 PM PST by Vaduz (LAWYERS )
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To: Rusty0604

” It’s not all speculation, it takes research on particular investments and an understanding of the economic conditions”

The basic rule for investing: You will make money if you are in the top few people on the planet in terms of knowledge of that market. If you aren’t one of those few you are one of the suckers.

Learn everything there is to know about manganese futures, pet food manufacturers, or Michigan municipal bonds. You can then do very well.

Don’t ever expect to know more than the market about what is going to happen to Apple or Yen exchange rates.


51 posted on 02/13/2023 3:05:27 PM PST by Renfrew (Muscovia delenda est)
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To: Fido969

Play with that kind of money, I bet he’s got more than enough assets to pay everybody back, even if he’s broke once done. That’s what he should do, publicly, whining about is a bit embarrassing.


52 posted on 02/13/2023 3:05:39 PM PST by Reno89519 (DeSantis or Sanders, Anyone But Trump in 2024. Time for Trump to Stand Aside and Retire.)
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To: Fido969

On the family side, a lesson I learned long ago is to never loan money to a friend or family member more than you are okay with losing.


53 posted on 02/13/2023 3:05:42 PM PST by Raycpa
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To: Brooklyn Attitude
I took on a large cash infusion

You love the pompous use of the term to obscure the fact that he BORROWED money.

54 posted on 02/13/2023 3:06:17 PM PST by Fido969 (45 is Superman! )
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To: Flavious_Maximus

A blowtorch and pliers come to mind...


55 posted on 02/13/2023 3:06:53 PM PST by Carriage Hill (A society grows great when old men plant trees, in whose shade they know they will never sit.)
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To: Raycpa
never loan money to a friend or family member

If I lend money to family or friend, in my mind I assume I will never be repaid. It makes my life much better.

Actually, I will tell them: "I am giving you this money".

The only time I said it was a loan was when my ex-wife asked me to "lend" her some money, which I did, telling her I hoped she'd pay it back as soon as possible

(I knew she never would.)

Since then, she takes pains to avoid me.

56 posted on 02/13/2023 3:10:53 PM PST by Fido969 (45 is Superman! )
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To: Fido969

Them: “Give me some of your money to invest”
Me: “No”


57 posted on 02/13/2023 3:12:54 PM PST by AppyPappy (Biden told Al Roker "America is back". Unfortunately, he meant back to the 1970's)
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To: Fido969

Seppuku may be your best option as opposed to being skinned alive…


58 posted on 02/13/2023 3:12:55 PM PST by gov_bean_ counter (Eccl 10:2 - The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left.)
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To: AceMineral
I don’t know why my mother keeps getting a $2.00 refund from the IRS. I don’t get refunds. I pay.

Your mother is doing it better than you.

The object of filing your tax returns is to neither get money back or have to pay.

Buy your mother a small cup of coffee at Dunkin Donuts and call it a day.

59 posted on 02/13/2023 3:13:01 PM PST by SamAdams76 (4,895,899 Truth | 87,656,930 Twitter)
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To: Fido969

This is a sad and painful lesson to learn. Here is my suggestion:

If you have to, borrow the money to make good on your word. Explain to your family/friends that the returns did not come through, and how foolish you were to promise such a thing. Tell them that you have borrowed/come up with the money to pay them their 10%, as that is what you promised. It has nothing to do with a signed note, it is your word.

If they want their money, then give it to them. If they are prone to have some forgiveness and take less than the 10%, consider yourself fortunate to know such gracious people.

Work your way out of the debt (if incurred), keep your word the hard way, and never promise something so elusive again. You can still come out being a person of honor.


60 posted on 02/13/2023 3:14:15 PM PST by JudyinCanada
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