Let’s Pay Attention To The Experts Who Challenged The COVID Narrative: From the start, brave physicians and scientists have challenged the government’s COVID narrative—and they’ve been right.

American Thinker ^ | 02/11/2023 | Thomas T. Siler, Jr., MD

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In the General/Chat forum, on a thread titled Let’s Pay Attention To The Experts Who Challenged The COVID Narrative: From the start, brave physicians and scientists have challenged the government’s COVID narrative—and they’ve been right., bagster wrote:

As memory serves, he’s been pretty cautious about giving direct medical advice.

Yea, ever since he gave direct medical advice to a Freeper (forget the name) and that Freeper died.

FReeper Terart (RIP).

https://freerepublic.com/focus/chat/3974843/posts

Terart tried some Ivermectin but used a protocol that didn't provide nearly enough, and was desperate for treatment.

I started everyone on the protocol by EVMS which says to take a dose on day 1 and day 3. Unfortunately, on day 6 we are all still very sick. Should I restart the Ivermectin?

Her own doctor wouldn't provide treatment (medications) and the hospital, when she called, confirmed it would be oxygen only (no treatment) if she was admitted. Gas dr warned her not to 'waste time' with Ivermectin and to get monoclonals. So he sent Terart on a chase to locate an infusion center, and when she went there she was turned down because her blood oxygen was too low. A real doctor would have recognized that possibility given the details Terart provided, but gas sent her on a pointless chase and twice warned her not to take more Ivermectin.

Given Ivermectin's safety profile, there would have been no harm in securing/taking more ivermectin even if you were pursuing monoclonals. NIH recently admitted Ivermectin works and added it to the Covid treatment protocol.

Having run out of time chasing monoclonals, Terart then had no recourse but to check into a hospital. She died without treatment according to her daughter.

PS: I believe our other fake doctor kept urging Terart to check into the hospital and 'let them treat you' even though Terart specified the hospital said, 'Oxygen only.'

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Given Ivermectin's safety profile, there would have been no harm in securing/taking more ivermectin even if you were pursuing monoclonals. NIH recently admitted Ivermectin works and added it to the Covid treatment protocol.

It's easy for you to claim that - after the fact. And you talk about others that do so.

My guess is that if the doc had said - "take more Ivermectin" you would have been happy and not be posting like you are now.

You overstated what the NIH "admitted". Just like you did regarding Ivermectin use in Japan.

From my perspective, Terart got sicker because of the FRoctors posting on numerous threads previously about Ivermectin. It has been pushed and pushed, often by ignorant people who see lots of green on the charts at places like https://c19ivm.org/meta.html, and who either don't understand or are ignoring p-hacking and some of the suspected fraud of some studies. But the FRoctors are rarely wrong - just like when people were dying of COVID-19 and FRoctors would look at pictures of the person who died and make comments, often nasty comments about the person's weight, etc.

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“Her own doctor wouldn't provide treatment (medications) and the hospital, when she called, confirmed it would be oxygen only (no treatment) if she was admitted. Gas dr warned her not to ‘waste time’ with Ivermectin and to get monoclonals. So he sent Terart on a chase to locate an infusion center, and when she went there she was turned down because her blood oxygen was too low. A real doctor would have recognized that possibility given the details Terart provided, but gas sent her on a pointless chase and twice warned her not to take more Ivermectin.

The irony is Gas dr is real doctor. Licensed and accredited in the state of Florida.

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bttt

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Ivermectin’s safety profile has been known for decades - it’s remarkably HARD to overdose. The other alternative was dying of Covid. Ivermectin was a safe bet to try. I knew that was true at the time, and I know it now. This isn’t a mere claim ‘after the fact.
NIH put Ivermectin on the Covid treatments list and you take issue with it. I’ve spoken with people who thanked me for posting about Ivermectin because it worked extremely well. There are real doctors with treatment experience, specializing in Covid, who say it works remarkably well. None of this matters to you - it’s just talking points you push.
You have no excuse for your posts which always seek to support the Faucists one way or another. Whatever the issue etc. you’re always dismissing those posting against the ‘vaccine’ and working to support, directly or indirectly, Faucists and/or Fauci’s talking points.

But the world knows the truth about Covid and the vaccines - you don’t have to push lies anymore. The public knows. Are you hoping to deceive stragglers? There’s no point for you to keep up the ‘game’.

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“Given Ivermectin’s safety profile, there would have been no harm in securing/taking more ivermectin even if you were pursuing monoclonals. NIH recently admitted Ivermectin works and added it to the Covid treatment protocol.

It's easy for you to claim that - after the fact. And you talk about others that do so.”

Ivermectin is extremely safe given the billions of doses given. why do you thing it is distributed widely to 3rd world people, albeit for River Blindness, to take unsupervised.

Here is the LD50 for Ivermectin.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17234315/

Comparative evaluation of acute toxicity of ivermectin by two methods after single subcutaneous administration in rats

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Abstract

Ivermectin was evaluated for its acute toxicity after single subcutaneous (s/c) administration by ‘Acute Toxic Class’ method as per OECD 423 and by conventional acute toxicity test using probit analysis in rats. ‘Acute toxic class’ method yielded LD(50) in category 2 i.e. between 5 and 50mg/kg which was comparable with conventional method where it was found to be 51.5mg/kg. Post mortem lesions were observed in the form of congestion of liver, which showed centrilobar necrosis and hemorrhages on histopathological analysis in both the methods. This study suggests, ‘Acute Toxic Class’ method may be used instead of conventional method to study acute toxicity of injectable preparations. Similarly the LD(50) of around 50mg/kg indicated a wide margin of safety (250x) considering therapeutic dose of ivermectin as 200microg/kg.”

I am assuming you can convert micrograms to milligrams. The therapeutic referenced is .2mg/kg or 200 microgram/kg.

The levels recommended by the FLCC is .4mg/kg to .6mg/kg
or 400 micrograms/kg to 600 micrograms.kg

The LD50 is considered to be between between 5 and 50mg/kg or 5000 micrograms/kg to 50,000/kg.

You would have to drink an entire 500 ml bottle at 10mg/ml all at once to even approach the lower accepted LD50 level. You would probably throw it up due its bad taste.

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Big Pharma shills should get injected daily to prove their faith and devotion to the thing they promote so zealously.

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The Baric-Daszak-Fauci spike protein, by itself, is deadly.

So-called Covid-19 vaxes are flooding people’s bodies with that spike protein.

The repercussions will be generational.

The poison vax is Bioweapon Part 2.

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Early on we knew that HCl was an effective treatment.

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That IS how the mRNA shots were pushed as well.

People like gas_dr set the tone and the terms of argument.

Now you have to put up with it. Nobody really cares that arguments in favor of getting the mRNA shots were based purely on propaganda, deceit, and logical fallacies.

Now you have to deal the the logical fallacies, as we haven’t a propaganda arm equivalent to the Big Brother surveillance state that has been used to push these shots, to the point that families were reporting against family members, friends and families were refusing visits, a Stasi-styled government acted.

Complaints about objections to arguments rejecting government mandates, corporate pressures, prevailing propaganda, and familial ostracization have a deep, dark, Evil to overcome within their own ranks first.

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NIH put Ivermectin on the Covid treatments list and you take issue with it.

This is the sort of intellectual dishonesty that has been posted by you and others throughout COVID-19.

Instead of getting the filtered narrative from you that shows your bias in favor of ivermectin regardless of clinical trials, here is what the NIH writes:

“Although there have been many ivermectin studies, only a few trials have been adequately powered, well-designed, and well-conducted. More recent clinical trials address the limitations of earlier studies but fail to show clear evidence that ivermectin reduces time to recovery or prevents COVID-19 disease progression. For this reason, and because several medications now have demonstrated clinical benefit for the treatment of COVID-19, the Panel recommends against the use of ivermectin for the treatment of COVID-19, except in a clinical trial (AIIa). Additional adequately powered, well-designed, and well- conducted trials are needed to evaluate the effect of ivermectin on COVID-19. The Panel will continue to review emerging data on ivermectin use, including the results from 2 large, ongoing randomized controlled trials.”

- see https://files.covid19treatmentguidelines.nih.gov/guidelines/covid19treatmentguidelines.pdf

The COVID-19 vaccines have issues. Fauci is a pathetic hack of a bureaucrat that is more involved in mass confusion regarding COVID-19 prevention and treatment that probably anyone.

It’s too bad that there are a group of people that continue to post FAKE NEWS in order to push their narrative on both sides.

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Still running interference for the unneeded, toxic ‘vaccine’ I see. You say the Covid ‘vaccines’ still have ‘issues’? You mean perhaps, the fact that they serve no purpose and kill more people than Covid ever did or will? No, you’d never admit that. You’d say something convoluted to cloud the issue.

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Still running interference for the unneeded, toxic ‘vaccine’ I see. You say the Covid ‘vaccines’ still have ‘issues’? You mean perhaps, the fact that they serve no purpose and kill more people than Covid ever did or will? No, you’d never admit that. You’d say something convoluted to cloud the issue.

Well, we're making progress. At least you stopped mentioning the false claim about NIH and ivermectin once you got busted for that.

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Re: 46 - I don’t question ivermectin decisions that people make. People can use it if they want. Their call.

I used it, in consultation with a health care professional.

I object to and if possible expose claims that are without merit or misrepresent what ivermectin can do and not do and then parrot those claims to a wider audience.

Looking at pretty graphs at https://c19ivm.org/meta.html glosses over questions about clinical trials being rigorous, accounting for confounders, and detecting outright fraud, p-hacking, etc.

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I have always defended you on FR. I freepmailed you a video of Dr Malholtra (top cardiologist in the UK) that was measured, sane, seemingly medically based, solid, and quite informative. You never commented.

He is as far from a quack as can be.

Show us where he is wrong and why you discount what he has to say please.

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'Busted' for knowing the NIH deemed Ivermectin an option for use in Covid-19 for 2 years?

When I saw the news about the NIH 'adding Ivermectin' I thought people were finally realizing that Ivermectin was on the approved list all this time even though the NIH/CDC punished/threatened/prohibited pharmacists from actually filling prescriptions. But nah, the latest NIH move you're so proud of is to protect the EUA on the 'vaccines'.

My conscience remains clear. I've warned people to avoid the 'vaccine' and shared safe and effective alternatives (Zelensky  Protocol, McCullough Protocol, FLCC protocol etc.) You don't have a conscience so it's almost like it's clear or something, because you're still proudly running interference for the 'vaccine'. Just think if you were a patriot, the things you could do for the public. But nah, that's not you.

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When I saw the news about the NIH 'adding Ivermectin' I thought people were finally realizing that Ivermectin was on the approved list all this time even though the NIH/CDC punished/threatened/prohibited pharmacists from actually filling prescriptions. But nah, the latest NIH move you're so proud of is to protect the EUA on the 'vaccines'.

My conscience remains clear. I've warned people to avoid the 'vaccine' and shared safe and effective alternatives (Zelensky Protocol, McCullough Protocol, FLCC protocol etc.) You don't have a conscience so it's almost like it's clear or something, because you're still proudly running interference for the 'vaccine'. Just think if you were a patriot, the things you could do for the public. But nah, that's not you.

No issues with Zelensky Protocol, FLCC Protocol, etc. Do have issues with information being misrepresented. Fauci and FedGov did that enough.

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No issues with Zelensky Protocol, FLCC Protocol, etc. Do have issues with information being misrepresented. Fauci and FedGov did that enough.

You were fine with Fauci and FedGov misrepresentation. You could have warned the public about the devastating failures of the 'science' Fauci and others were bragging about.

Instead, you just swarmed citizen efforts to raise the alarm about the shoddy 'science' and lies and ran interference to muddy the waters.  YOu don't have 'high standards' for data; you protect the 'narrative'  version of events. You're trying to blend in now, but no one following the vaxxes will recall you as 'neutral'.

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RE: 58 - LOL. Whatever.

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You posted the gospel according to $t Peter of antivaxx. If seems that when one who gains no traction is revered as sainted, perhaps that is the definition of genuflection. Project much?