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Conservatives are turning on the Military Industrial Complex (MIC)
FR ^ | Feb 7 | RF

Posted on 02/07/2023 5:07:02 AM PST by RandFan

Wow! I'm looking through twitter and I see a lot of conservatives calling out or turning on the Military Industrial Complex something I've not seen in a long time.

Anyone else seeing it?

It also looks like Republicans in the House are prepared to cut the defense budget and to clip the wings of the MIC!

This is glorious and long overdue...


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To: RandFan

The Neocons will fight cutting the defense budget tooth and nail. They will not go quietly into the night. Are you ready to rumble?


21 posted on 02/07/2023 6:41:41 AM PST by Lonely Are The Brave (A man's got to know his limitations. Dirty Harry Callahan)
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To: RandFan

President Dwight D. Eisenhower's Farewell Address (1961)

My fellow Americans:

Three days from now, after half a century in the service of our country, I shall lay down the responsibilities of office as, in traditional and solemn ceremony, the authority of the Presidency is vested in my successor.

This evening I come to you with a message of leave-taking and farewell, and to share a few final thoughts with you, my countrymen.

Like every other citizen, I wish the new President, and all who will labor with him, Godspeed. I pray that the coming years will be blessed with peace and prosperity for all.

Our people expect their President and the Congress to find essential agreement on issues of great moment, the wise resolution of which will better shape the future of the Nation.

My own relations with the Congress, which began on a remote and tenuous basis when, long ago, a member of the Senate appointed me to West Point, have since ranged to the intimate during the war and immediate post-war period, and, finally, to the mutually interdependent during these past eight years.

In this final relationship, the Congress and the Administration have, on most vital issues, cooperated well, to serve the national good rather than mere partisanship, and so have assured that the business of the Nation should go forward. So, my official relationship with the Congress ends in a feeling, on my part, of gratitude that we have been able to do so much together.

******

We now stand ten years past the midpoint of a century that has witnessed four major wars among great nations. Three of these involved our own country. Despite these holocausts America is today the strongest, the most influential and most productive nation in the world. Understandably proud of this pre-eminence, we yet realize that America's leadership and prestige depend, not merely upon our unmatched material progress, riches and military strength, but on how we use our power in the interests of world peace and human betterment.

******

Throughout America's adventure in free government, our basic purposes have been to keep the peace; to foster progress in human achievement, and to enhance liberty, dignity and integrity among people and among nations. To strive for less would be unworthy of a free and religious people. Any failure traceable to arrogance, or our lack of comprehension or readiness to sacrifice would inflict upon us grievous hurt both at home and abroad.

Progress toward these noble goals is persistently threatened by the conflict now engulfing the world. It commands our whole attention, absorbs our very beings. We face a hostile ideology-global in scope, atheistic in character, ruthless in purpose, and insidious in method. Unhappily the danger it poses promises to be of indefinite duration. To meet it successfully, there is called for, not so much the emotional and transitory sacrifices of crisis, but rather those which enable us to carry forward steadily, surely, and without complaint the burdens of a prolonged and complex struggle-with liberty at stake. Only thus shall we remain, despite every provocation, on our charted course toward permanent peace and human betterment.

Crises there will continue to be. In meeting them, whether foreign or domestic, great or small, there is a recurring temptation to feel that some spectacular and costly action could become the miraculous solution to all current difficulties. A huge increase in newer elements of our defense; development of unrealistic programs to cure every ill in agriculture; a dramatic expansion in basic and applied research-these and many other possibilities, each possibly promising in itself, may be suggested as the only way to the road we wish to travel.

But each proposal must be weighed in the light of a broader consideration: the need to maintain balance in and among national programs-balance between the private and the public economy, balance between cost and hoped for advantage-balance between the clearly necessary and the comfortably desirable; balance between our essential requirements as a nation and the duties imposed by the nation upon the individual; balance between action of the moment and the national welfare of the future. Good judgment seeks balance and progress; lack of it eventually finds imbalance and frustration.

The record of many decades stands as proof that our people and their government have, in the main, understood these truths and have responded to them well, in the face of stress and threat. But threats, new in kind or degree, constantly arise. I mention two only.

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A vital element in keeping the peace is our military establishment. Our arms must be mighty, ready for instant action, so that no potential aggressor may be tempted to risk his own destruction.

Our military organization today bears little relation to that known by any of my predecessors in peace time, or indeed by the fighting men of World War II or Korea.

Until the latest of our world conflicts, the United States had no armaments industry. American makers of plowshares could, with time and as required, make swords as well. But now we can no longer risk emergency improvisation of national defense; we have been compelled to create a permanent armaments industry of vast proportions. Added to this, three and a half million men and women are directly engaged in the defense establishment. We annually spend on military security more than the net income of all United State corporations.

This conjunction of an immense military establishment and a large arms industry is new in the American experience. The total influence-economic, political, even spiritual-is felt in every city, every state house, every office of the Federal government. We recognize the imperative need for this development. Yet we must not fail to comprehend its grave implications. Our toil, resources and livelihood are all involved; so is the very structure of our society.

In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist.

We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals, so that security and liberty may prosper together.

Akin to, and largely responsible for the sweeping changes in our industrial-military posture, has been the technological revolution during recent decades.

In this revolution, research has become central; it also becomes more formalized, complex, and costly. A steadily increasing share is conducted for, by, or at the direction of, the Federal government.

Today, the solitary inventor, tinkering in his shop, has been over shadowed by task forces of scientists in laboratories and testing fields. In the same fashion, the free university, historically the fountainhead of free ideas and scientific discovery, has experienced a revolution in the conduct of research. Partly because of the huge costs involved, a government contract becomes virtually a substitute for intellectual curiosity. For every old blackboard there are now hundreds of new electronic computers.

The prospect of domination of the nation's scholars by Federal employment, project allocations, and the power of money is ever present and is gravely to be regarded.

Yet, in holding scientific research and discovery in respect, as we should, we must also be alert to the equal and opposite danger that public policy could itself become the captive of a scientific-technological elite.

It is the task of statesmanship to mold, to balance, and to integrate these and other forces, new and old, within the principles of our democratic system-ever aiming toward the supreme goals of our free society.

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Another factor in maintaining balance involves the element of time. As we peer into society's future, we-you and I, and our government-must avoid the impulse to live only for today, plundering, for our own ease and convenience, the precious resources of tomorrow. We cannot mortgage the material assets of our grandchildren without risking the loss also of their political and spiritual heritage. We want democracy to survive for all generations to come, not to become the insolvent phantom of tomorrow.

******

Down the long lane of the history yet to be written America knows that this world of ours, ever growing smaller, must avoid becoming a community of dreadful fear and hate, and be, instead, a proud confederation of mutual trust and respect.

Such a confederation must be one of equals. The weakest must come to the conference table with the same confidence as do we, protected as we are by our moral, economic, and military strength. That table, though scarred by many past frustrations, cannot be abandoned for the certain agony of the battlefield.

Disarmament, with mutual honor and confidence, is a continuing imperative. Together we must learn how to compose difference, not with arms, but with intellect and decent purpose. Because this need is so sharp and apparent I confess that I lay down my official responsibilities in this field with a definite sense of disappointment. As one who has witnessed the horror and the lingering sadness of war-as one who knows that another war could utterly destroy this civilization which has been so slowly and painfully built over thousands of years-I wish I could say tonight that a lasting peace is in sight.

Happily, I can say that war has been avoided. Steady progress toward our ultimate goal has been made. But, so much remains to be done. As a private citizen, I shall never cease to do what little I can to help the world advance along that road.

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So-in this my last good night to you as your President-I thank you for the many opportunities you have given me for public service in war and peace. I trust that in that service you find somethings worthy; as for the rest of it, I know you will find ways to improve performance in the future.

You and I-my fellow citizens-need to be strong in our faith that all nations, under God, will reach the goal of peace with justice. May we be ever unswerving in devotion to principle, confident but humble with power, diligent in pursuit of the Nation's great goals.

To all the peoples of the world, I once more give expression to America's prayerful and continuing inspiration:

We pray that peoples of all faiths, all races, all nations, may have their great human needs satisfied; that those now denied opportunity shall come to enjoy it to the full; that all who yearn for freedom may experience its spiritual blessings; that those who have freedom will understand, also, its heavy responsibilities; that all who are insensitive to the needs of others will learn charity; that the scourges of poverty, disease and ignorance will be made to disappear from the earth, and that, in the goodness of time, all peoples will come to live together in a peace guaranteed by the binding force of mutual respect and love.

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*Emphasis mine*

22 posted on 02/07/2023 7:01:22 AM PST by Bratch
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To: Who is John Galt?

Yep you are right, no need to have defense industry to make the stuff that is needed to defend the country, since your hero Biden eliminated sovereignty of the land and air borders.

Cutting SS, Medicare will help lower the population in the US by getting rid of us useless old eaters quicker.


23 posted on 02/07/2023 7:18:54 AM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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To: RandFan

Well I don’t know about that but my family is in total agreement to get the kids out of this country before they are ever sent into another meat grinder for the benefit of the elite. Plans hatching, I suggest you all do the same. Eff this government.


24 posted on 02/07/2023 7:31:54 AM PST by CaptainPhilFan ( )
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To: RandFan

In Eisenhower’s day, it was the Military-Industrial complex.

Today it has expanded to be the Military-Industrial-Intelligence-Police complex, with other behemoths wanting to join the club.

And of course, no end to wealthy nitwits who think they should run the show.


25 posted on 02/07/2023 7:32:32 AM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy ("All he had was a handgun. Why did you think that was a threat?" --Rittenhouse Prosecutor)
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To: RandFan

Not nearly fast enough.

We’ve got a House and Senate full of neocons and polls are showing all Americans backing our Ukrainian war with Russia by 2-to-1.


26 posted on 02/07/2023 7:34:41 AM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: PIF
Cutting SS, Medicare will help lower the population in the US by getting rid of us useless old eaters quicker.

Yeah, we know it's impossible for the federal government to save any money, anywhere, without cutting pensions and retiree benefits. \sarc

Yep you are right, no need to have defense industry to make the stuff that is needed to defend the country, since your hero Biden eliminated sovereignty of the land and air borders.

Yeah, God knows the US has already cut our defense budget to the bone:

Obviously no room for any cuts there, unless we're ready to just abolish the military, open our borders, and surrender! And putting off any cuts at all just shows the world how strong we are! Let's borrow another $32 trillion! \sarc

(And by the way, Biden is obviously more your hero than mine, since you're the one promoting his Ukraine & spending policies on FR... ;^)

27 posted on 02/07/2023 7:44:24 AM PST by Who is John Galt? ("...mit Pulver und Blei, Die Gedanken sind frei!")
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To: RandFan

I have turned on both MIC’s Military and Medical. Both evil to the core.


28 posted on 02/07/2023 7:56:07 AM PST by LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget (I am a lesbian trapped in a man's body... gives me more rights. )
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To: RandFan

People just don’t like us getting into invasions and shooting wars that are really not our business.


29 posted on 02/07/2023 7:56:19 AM PST by lurk (u)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy
In Eisenhower’s day he was NOTHING without the "military industrial complex", a scare term he rather hypocritically invented.
30 posted on 02/07/2023 8:01:52 AM PST by NorthMountain (... the right of the peopIe to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed)
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To: RandFan

What’s next? A sternly worded letter?


31 posted on 02/07/2023 8:08:33 AM PST by moovova ("The NEXT election is the most important election of our lifetimes!“ LOL...)
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To: sten

If we manage to elect a Republican President in 2024, one of his first acts should be to fire most if not all of the 2, 3 and 4-stars and start over.


32 posted on 02/07/2023 8:12:14 AM PST by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: Bratch

>>The prospect of domination of the nation’s scholars by Federal employment, project allocations, and the power of money is ever present and is gravely to be regarded.

>>Yet, in holding scientific research and discovery in respect, as we should, we must also be alert to the equal and opposite danger that public policy could itself become the captive of a scientific-technological elite.

I’ve been pointing out those passages and pointing to Covid and Climate Change as examples of where things went wrong as Ike warned.


33 posted on 02/07/2023 8:15:56 AM PST by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: sauropod

Whether he is living or not made absolutely zero difference in my life.


34 posted on 02/07/2023 8:23:52 AM PST by Trailerpark Badass (“There should be a whole lot more going on than throwing bleach,” said one woman)
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To: RandFan

The military industrial complex is a corruption ridden scam, it’s about time more conservatives woke up to this reality.


35 posted on 02/07/2023 8:34:06 AM PST by jimwatx
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To: RandFan

Everyone knows the MIC is fraught with waste, fraud and abuse. It is bloated. Everything the government does goes this route. The thing is: it is the government’s job to maintain the military. No one else can do it. It is FEDERAL. But we have all gotten addicted to bloated government programs that shouldn’t be the federal government’s priority. And we are so spoiled we will throw it all away to keep the candy coming our way.


36 posted on 02/07/2023 8:48:55 AM PST by gloryblaze
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To: PIF

Defence is one thing, foriegn Aid should end.


37 posted on 02/07/2023 8:49:04 AM PST by cowboyusa (There is no co- existence with Pinks and Reds)
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To: NorthMountain

His point was that the MI Complex was becoming too strong and would soon challenge the government for power. He didn’t mean to say that we could dispense with either, just that they had to be watched and controlled.

Reasonable advice. However, he did not see all the other monoliths who in their time would also get too ambitious.

I believe it to be a simpler equation: either they work for America, and under its constraints; or they imagine themselves as some part of a supranational or internationalist agency.

“A supranational union is a type of international organization that is empowered to directly exercise some of the powers and functions otherwise reserved to states. A supranational organization involves a greater transfer of or limitation of state sovereignty than other kinds of international organizations.”

With little effort you can imagine the litany of supranational-wannabee organizations, all craving wealth and power and seeking multinational or international authority.

Woodrow Wilson wanted something like that after WWI, with his League of Nations. Frank Roosevelt did him one better with the United Nations. But for all their hopes and aspirations, supranational agencies are just cesspits of rot, craved by those who want a return to monarchy ruling over peasantry.


38 posted on 02/07/2023 12:22:33 PM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy ("All he had was a handgun. Why did you think that was a threat?" --Rittenhouse Prosecutor)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy
But for all their hopes and aspirations, supranational agencies are just cesspits of rot

There we certainly have a point of agreement. I go back to the '70s with "US out of the UN; UN out of the US.

That ugly building in New York, with the weird creepy twisted revolver sculpture in front should be razed to the ground after all the leeches occupying it have been defenestrated from the top floor.

39 posted on 02/07/2023 1:10:29 PM PST by NorthMountain (... the right of the peopIe to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed)
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To: NorthMountain

Directly booting them out might be impractical, so I propose that a second and third UN building be built, in Beijing and Moscow. And then every 25 years, they pack up and move to a new facility.

Of course, there is no way the Russians and Chinese will tolerate the antics of the uneducated, nepotic, corrupt and repulsive delegates, so it is a finger in the eye to them.

Then, after around 50 years, we propose new UN buildings in places like Mogadishu, that make Russia and China look good by comparison.


40 posted on 02/07/2023 2:46:36 PM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy ("All he had was a handgun. Why did you think that was a threat?" --Rittenhouse Prosecutor)
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