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To: entropy12

Why do people freak out over the “national debt” but nobody really worries when a corporation issues shares of its stock to bring in new investors?
When the Fed creates dollars and gives them to banks so they can buy Treasuries its equivalent to a corporation creating shares and selling them at a fixed price. Nobody expects the corporation to buy as many of its shares as it creates (balanced budget) or to ever buy up all its shares unless the company goes private. This would not be a good thing for America as we know it.

Nobody says the corporation adds to its deficit by creating stock. If they overdo it and create too many shares, the corporations earnings-per-share are diluted and the market reduces the value of the shares. In this case the value of the dollar goes down relative to other currencies (floats) in the FX market which is the real “stock market” for national wealth in the world. This makes imports more expensive and can add to inflation.

What’s frustrating is that so few people in government and even at the Federal Reserve even understand how their own corporation works. They still play games with “debt ceilings” and come up with gimmicks like the “debt clock” to scare average people and gain power over them.


10 posted on 01/28/2023 8:47:08 AM PST by Dave Wright (i)
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To: Dave Wright
how their own corporation works...

Great points.

Another data point that generally folks do not know about - the sum total of ALL deficits (minus surpluses) since 1789 is $21 Trillion. Compare that to today's national debt of $31 Trillion. The take away from that (and other facts/sources) is that the IRS/FED is setup to ONLY PAY INTEREST on the debt (our currency is debt-based). Not a plug nickle has EVER gone to pay for a single federal program, nor to pay for any national debt *principle*.

This is the true nature of non-federal non-reserve FED/IRS Bankstering.

12 posted on 01/28/2023 8:51:45 AM PST by C210N (Everything will be okay in the end. If it’s not okay, it’s not the end.)
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To: Dave Wright

BIG DIFFERENCE!
Corporations issue new shares to bring in capital for PRODUCTIVE purposes. They buy more infrastructure and hire more workers. Also issuing new shares is not really a debt since the money received has no obligation to pay it back.

National debt must be paid back with interest. And majority of money spent is non-profuctive. Currently federal Treasury is paying out in excess of 2/3 Trillion dollars for fiscal year ending on Sept 30, 2023.


14 posted on 01/28/2023 8:54:53 AM PST by entropy12 (Food is most popular anxiety drug, exercise is the least popular.)
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To: Dave Wright

You are wrong on so many points. Overwhelming majority of US corporations have issued more shares and overwhelming corporate share value is now higher than ever.

National debt is costing taxpayers 2/3 of TRILLION DOLLARS in interst alone, for fiscal year ending in September 2023. Corporations have no legal obligation to pay back even 1 penny of the money received by issuing more shares.


15 posted on 01/28/2023 9:04:07 AM PST by entropy12 (Food is most popular anxiety drug, exercise is the least popular.)
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To: Dave Wright
Why do people freak out over the “national debt” but nobody really worries when a corporation issues shares of its stock to bring in new investors?
When a corporation borrows money it has a responsibility to produce some good/service with the borrowed funds. When the government prints money it buys/consumes goods and services or gives the money away. So companies invest and government divests, well unless one considers buying votes an investment which I think politicians do.
18 posted on 01/28/2023 9:14:23 AM PST by dblshot
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To: Dave Wright

“When the Fed creates dollars and gives them to banks ...”

Doesn’t the FED loan their created dollars to the banks and expect the banks to pay them back with interest?


27 posted on 01/28/2023 10:11:11 AM PST by cymbeline
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