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Washington Is Prolonging Ukraine's Suffering -- Washington’s refusal to acknowledge Russia’s legitimate security interests in Ukraine and negotiate an end to this war is the path to protracted conflict and human suffering.
The American Conservative ^ | December 20, 2022 | Colonel Douglas MacGregor

Posted on 12/20/2022 1:59:12 AM PST by Cathi

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To: Chad C. Mulligan
Never forget that modern-day Russian culture is largely derived from the Mongol hordes who over-ran the region in the 13th century. They never really left.

Muslim population in Russia is already at 14% with muslim families having large numbers of children.

Russia Will Be One-Third Muslim in 15 Years, Chief Mufti Predicts

https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2019/03/05/russia-will-be-one-third-muslim-in-15-years-chief-mufti-predicts-a64706

41 posted on 12/20/2022 4:27:04 AM PST by tlozo (Better to Die on Your Feet than Live on Your Knees)
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To: Cathi

It’s hard to tell who is the most truthful. I know our MSM has proven they can’t be trusted. Just look at how they smeared Trump for 6 years.

It seems hard to fake live videos of combat, if you go to Tribun Timur on YouTube you can see videos of live action taped from the Russian side. Our MSM is selective, they mostly only show Russian losses as they are waging a propaganda war just as I’m sure the Russians are as well. The truth is the war is punishing severe attrition on both sides.

Tribun Timur has been running probably 10 new videos a day for MONTHS, each one shows significant losses on Ukrainian forces. Even if the only fighting that occurred was the ones they video taped and showed it would still add up to a considerable loss. Yet one knows it’s just the tip of an iceberg.

I cry for the men of both sides but especially the civilians of Ukraine.

Here is a video from a few hours ago. In it Chechen ATMs destroy and hit Ukrainian M.B. Tanks. They will post another 6-10 today and most will be new , never seen before.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7z4JISfbpHU


43 posted on 12/20/2022 4:43:36 AM PST by Phoenix8
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To: Cathi

100% true. More opportunity to grift for the Beltway sleaze of both parties.


44 posted on 12/20/2022 4:50:27 AM PST by Recovering_Democrat
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To: lodi90

Set aside the nuclear option which is a huge set aside, Russia has failed militarily on all front goals. They hold half the land they originally took, have lost tons of military equipment they can’t replace, 10s if not a hundred or more thousands of soldiers, ships they can’t replace and the cloak of invincibility of their military dashed. Their only “successes” come from launching terror attacks on civilians with their missile arsenal which are being depleted rapidly and largely being shot down and their minor successes in bakmud?sp with mercenaries. Ukraine a small nation with much smaller military finally equipped with a relatively small handful of western weapons and soviet era hand me downs has blunted and reversed much of russias early military advances. Though I can understand Kiev’s concerns about a new Russian major assault, the idea that they can be successful after taking a mulligan and with a much degraded military and better equipped Ukraine seems ludicrous. But then again hitler had his battle of the bulge and so might Putin.
Also the idea that Russia who has had their homeland mostly untouched would be a match for a war with NATO forces equally seems ridiculous. Though Russia still maintains a large air force they are unable to use them effectively except close to the front and with stand off weapons with their air fields and ammo dumps mostly secure, a fact that would immediately change. Their logistics and logistical infrastructure which is bad would immediately become non existent. There would be no safe spaces for their artillery, ammo, POL, and basic supplies.
Finally I will not argue the corruption and money laundering involved in this conflict but rather discussing the military aspects of this war.
My 2 cents


45 posted on 12/20/2022 4:51:07 AM PST by blitz128
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To: Cathi

They telegraphed this when they lionized the stand-up comic who became incredibly wealthy over a few years of “governing” and pushed his staged productions out as “news from a hero”.


46 posted on 12/20/2022 4:52:20 AM PST by trebb (So many fools - so little time...)
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To: Guenevere

Peace is an absence of Russian war criminals within the territory of Ukraine


47 posted on 12/20/2022 4:56:51 AM PST by bert ( (KWE. NP. N.C. +12) Juneteenth is inequality day)
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To: blitz128

Your are correct. We must not forget Russia is the country that invented the Potemkin Village and Fake News. History shows us everything including “and” and “the” from the Kremlin is a lie.

Defeating Russia’s invasion of Ukraine has certain economic benefits for the US economy and American jobs. That has actually been a sore spot in parts of Europe since the WEF/EU crowd want to continue partnering with Putin’s Russia and financing their whack job green energy policies with corrupting Russian energy. All while living comfortably under the US nuclear umbrella, of course. Putin won’t be bombing German women and children with ballistic missiles or setting up KGB inspired torture chambers in German villages thank you very much.

Kicking Russian corruption and influence out of Europe is both the morally correct and economically beneficial thing for the US to do. Or we could Make Russia Great Again. Decisions, decisions.


48 posted on 12/20/2022 5:06:23 AM PST by lodi90
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To: blitz128

I think you overvalued your “ take”


49 posted on 12/20/2022 5:25:08 AM PST by silverleaf (“Freedom ultimately means the right of other people to do things that you disagree with”. T. Sowell )
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To: Cathi

As things stands Azerbaijan and the Caspian Sea are key players. Stop the shipment of Iranian arms by any means necessary.


50 posted on 12/20/2022 5:28:55 AM PST by nagant
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To: Cathi

Good to see some mainstream conservative publications FINALLY getting of the Ukraine Koolaid and publishing some stuff that goes against the Neocons.


51 posted on 12/20/2022 5:31:36 AM PST by BobL
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To: Cathi

The correct comparison to Vietnam: France is hundreds of miles from Vietnam. France carved South Vietnam out of Vietnam. North Vietnam took it back. Russia is trying to carve Eastern Ukraine out of Ukraine. The question is whether Ukraine can take it back from an aggressor on the disputed territory’s border.


52 posted on 12/20/2022 5:36:12 AM PST by nagant
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To: Forward the Light Brigade

Hey Forward: it’s setback, not a set back, you freaking troll..


53 posted on 12/20/2022 5:37:19 AM PST by exinnj
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To: Right_Wing_Madman

“It wouldn’t surprise me if Zelensky blocks an exodus from Kiev. He can use the civilians as human shields.”

Actually General Zaluzhny announced just that. They need to keep the freezing civilians in Kiev to “make it harder for Russia to capture”.

And I liked Zaluzhny as he seemed to be the one guy who wasn’t a clown in the Ukrainian government.


54 posted on 12/20/2022 5:38:36 AM PST by BobL
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To: BobL; Cathi
Looking at this thread from a simple participation study perspective, one observes the two very active pro-Ukraine posters, the UMV Rev and Texas Speedy have so far been absent. Probably they are busy aggregating their "opera omnia" for the day.

For those who view the "event" as "not my circus and not my clowns," the salvos being fired are most interesting, for so few seem actually to change any views. Why? Because this is political, and shows the divide on a supposedly conservative site. Hmm.

55 posted on 12/20/2022 5:41:06 AM PST by Worldtraveler once upon a time (Degrow government)
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To: Worldtraveler once upon a time

“Looking at this thread from a simple participation study perspective, one observes the two very active pro-Ukraine posters, the UMV Rev and Texas Speedy have so far been absent. Probably they are busy aggregating their “opera omnia” for the day.”

They’re absent because their shifts haven’t started. As to “aggregating their “opera omnia””m, that’s what the staff is for.


56 posted on 12/20/2022 5:43:16 AM PST by BobL
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To: BobL

“Good to see some mainstream conservative publications FINALLY getting of the Ukraine Koolaid and publishing some stuff that goes against the Neocons.”
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Yes, but don’t be too hopeful. The public is totally indoctrinated and frankly unwilling and incapable of facing the truth.

Tucker Carlson did a feature on the new information that the CIA was involved in JFK’s murder. The Twitter files have come out with shocking evidence of deliberate government and media misinformation/lying about everything.

Americans are duped and apparently quite happy to stay that way.


57 posted on 12/20/2022 5:43:26 AM PST by Cathi
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To: BabaOreally

“i know this because, at this moment, and for the past two years, i have been actually living in Ukraine. in Lviv and have travelled all throughout the country in that time.

Considering the 11 YEAR GAP in your posting history here, that completely discredits any claim that you make.

But keep trying, not everyone checks.


58 posted on 12/20/2022 5:49:14 AM PST by BobL
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To: lodi90

Kicking Russian corruption and influence out of Europe is both the morally correct and economically beneficial thing for the US to do.

How about we start with cleaning our own house? The U.S. government is rife with corruption and influence.


59 posted on 12/20/2022 5:53:16 AM PST by Flick Lives (Cui bono)
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To: Flick Lives

“How about we start with cleaning our own house? “

How about we do both? Its not like we havent had the opportunity for many many years....And it wasnt Ukraine that prevented it.


60 posted on 12/20/2022 5:55:04 AM PST by FreshPrince
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