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The Fredo Kiss and Its Repercussions in 'The Godfather' Franchise
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Posted on 12/18/2022 5:04:06 PM PST by nickcarraway

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To: M1903A1; Chode

Yes, she lived with him until he died in March 1978. She married Gummer six months later.


21 posted on 12/19/2022 1:02:37 AM PST by nickcarraway
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To: Clemenza
Never respected Michael for offing his brother - Michael was 1/3 of the man his father Vito was.

I think that's the point of the trilogy. When Sonny lets the Turk know he likes the drug business Vito apologizes to the Turk and says something to the effect that he spoils his children so they speak out of turn. He then goes on to reprimand Sonny when the Turk leaves. Prior to that Vito makes a comment that "we are not murderers despite what this undertaker thinks". Vito is portrayed as having principles, a set of ethics wrapped around crime. He is respected and fair. He indulges his family even though it means a greater risk to his safety.

Michael on the other hand sells his soul in an effort to make the Corleone family legitimate. In an effort to gain respect and assume the power his father had, he corrupts everyone in the family. In Godfather II we see the fruits of this process. His sister is a mess, Fredo is pathetic, Tom Hayden has graduated from killing horses to killing hookers in order to corrupt a Senator. Michael becomes ruthless and feared and that has a toxic effect on everything. It breaks up his immediate family with Kay doing the unthinkable for a married woman at that time.

In Godfather III we see him desperately trying to pull his family back together. He seeks the love from others that his father had. He comments to a dead Don Tomasino something to the effect of: you were so loved and why am I so feared. Even in death The Godfather trilogy contrasts Don Vito who dies playing with his grandson to Michael who dies alone with no one around.

So we want to like Michael due to his noble vision of becoming legitimate. But the story line never lets us see him in the same light as his father. However we can't look away while all this is happening.

22 posted on 12/19/2022 5:09:46 AM PST by stig
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To: nickcarraway

“Michael eventually has him killed, although certain events have to occur before Michael orders his death.”

Michael to Rocco: “I don’t want him touched as long as our mother is still alive.”

After she died, Fredo was a dead man walking.

“Later, in a sex club, Michael overhears Fredo explaining to a friend that Johnny Ola brought him to the club first and explained further that “Old Man Roth would never come here, but Johnny Ola knows these places like the back of his hand.”

As I understand it, this sex club in Cuba really existed, pre-Castro. There were many sex clubs in Cuba around that time, but this was a special one that was accessible to only the elites. Their main attraction was a guy nicknamed “Superman”. He was ugly in the face, but had the most enormous, longest, you know what.


23 posted on 12/19/2022 5:10:18 AM PST by lowbridge ("Let’s check with Senator Schumer before we run it" - NY Times)
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To: nickcarraway

thx


24 posted on 12/19/2022 6:43:05 AM PST by Chode (there is no fall back position, there's no rally point, there is no LZ... we're on our own. #FJB)
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To: Chode

Yes Streep has spoken about how hard it was to lose him.


25 posted on 12/19/2022 7:04:17 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped)
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To: Georgia Girl 2

not two people i’d have not thought to be together, love will out


26 posted on 12/19/2022 7:38:45 AM PST by Chode (there is no fall back position, there's no rally point, there is no LZ... we're on our own. #FJB)
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To: Captain Peter Blood

That must be something new, I remember reading about Caan’s reluctance to destroy the camera decades ago.

According to the story, not only did he have to be convinced that the camera was already unsalvageable, the prop department had to make a lot of cuts and alterations to the (real) Speed Graphic to get it to “shatter” for the take.


27 posted on 12/19/2022 6:03:37 PM PST by M1903A1 ("We shed all that is good and virtuous for that which is shoddy and sleazy...and call it progress" )
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To: M1903A1

I think I saw this on a YouTube video a few days ago


28 posted on 12/19/2022 6:35:24 PM PST by Captain Peter Blood
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To: Captain Peter Blood

Is that the one where the two movies were assembled in chronological order?


29 posted on 12/19/2022 7:00:29 PM PST by M1903A1 ("We shed all that is good and virtuous for that which is shoddy and sleazy...and call it progress" )
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To: M1903A1

Yes, they also put a lot of deleted scenes in never in either picture.


30 posted on 12/19/2022 7:07:19 PM PST by Captain Peter Blood
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