In any case, are you aware of this?
(has put the USA onto an ever accelerating path of destruction of our Constitutional Republic)
And the fruit 🍓🍑 of such labors is now quite apparent.
But far too few listened...
The Immigration Act of 1790 directly defines Natural Born citizen as being born of citizen parents, with citizenship devolving from the father.
“What if I told you...”
Sounds like a damn push poll....
I would love to say that Obama was pulling the strings today.
When Obama was in office he did NOTHING. When he tried anything, he failed. I don’t think he would be more successful today?
Second, even if it isn't b.s., I would say that the intent of one of the Framers of the Constitution expressed in a private letter is not determinative - and arguably isn't even relevant - to the legal interpretation of a phrase contained in the Constitution.
As to why, read some of Scalia's writings on Constitutional interpretation.
A NBC is a person born in country to a citizen father of that country. Exceptions are made for diplomats posted overseas (not military).
Yeah kinda.
Nonetheless, at the Electoral College meeting, Senator Cruz rose to call attention to DNI Ratcliffe's view that there was indeed Chinese interference that needed to be more fully investigated. That, in combination with thousands of affidavits and other evidence made for a substantive case that Congress was constitutionally required to investigate in the immediately-ensuing 10-day period as part of the Electoral College responsibility. Congress abrogated their oath of fidelity to the Constitution by voting down the required investigation.
Biden called the action in support of the investigation an "attempt to steal the election" whose future possibility he would see to stamping out. (That would only be possible through a Constitutional Amendment, which he has yet to bring.) In short order, the media narrative morphed into Trump allegedly having mounted "an insurrection" on 1/6.
The attempt by a majority of the Members of Congress to thwart the Constitutionally-required investigation at the 2021 Electoral College meeting is the subject of a suit presently before SCOTUS in Brunson v Adams. The remedy contemplated, requested and demanded by Brunson is the removal from office of all that participated in the anti-constitutional actions of that day, including some 400+ Members of Congress, Biden and Harris.
In-your-face, symbolic or otherwise, SCOTUS has scheduled its hearing for Brunson on 1/6/2023, two years after the alleged crime took place.
Regarding Barry's failed attempt to meet the standard as a Natural Born Citizen (NBC) as put forth in the John Jay letter, we saw Barry's minions suggesting NBC was satisfied simply by his having been born in Hawai'i. That truly would be a nearly meaningless criteria hardly worthy mentioning, that his bio-mother need only have been positioned above US soil when she gave birth.
It was almost comical to see both Deep State (DS) factions (D&R) coming to mutual nullification for the 2008 election NBC requirement as both Barry's and No-Name's birth particulars were questionable. Since the DS had by mutual agreement already settled on those two being the nominated candidates, there was talk off the NBC question being thenceforward off-limits for both candidates as to their questionability (from the media/Ds/Rs). Unfortunately, there were those pesky lawsuits, for which the DS black robes determined "no-standing" responses would be the most effective deterrent.
As Barry's NBC lawsuit dismissals littered the landscape and a Kenyan grandmother seemed to affirm that she was present when Barry was born in Mombasa, Kenya, verified documentation of that and/or to the contrary became a new, vaporous and elusive standard.
Even as Republican-minded questioners were noting the lack of verified documentation to in anyway counter and substantiate a Mombasa birth--for which there was by that time some documentation (a Kenyan LFBC for Barry, for example, calculation that Stanley Ann Dunham did not meet the requirement to pass on her citizenship to little Barry, plus affirmation that BHO I was indeed a registered citizen of the British Commonwealth at the (claimed) time and place of Barry's birth (even while there were reports of Barry's celebrating two different birth dates).
Through mediation of at least one CIA asset positioned in the Hawaii Department of Health, we came to be shown a computer-printed Certificate of Live Birth that contained specious, non-standard field values (e.g., African). Later, two more CIA assets (Judith Corley and Robt F. Bauer) would be brought into the chain of LFBC production as it was finally presented on April 27, 2011.
After (CIA front organization) Subud's past Treasurer and former USA National Chairperson took over Directorship of the Hawai'i Department of Health in January, 2011, it took only three months to produce that which Hawaii Governor Neil Abercrombie supposedly could not locate among the State's documents after months of dumpster diving, a clearly forged and fraudulent Long Form Birth Certificate for Barry. All three Official Verifications produced by two staff HDOH CIA assets were internally invalid, as well. No court has assessed the merits of any case using the LFBC or its Verifications. A Mississippi court did come close to making a determination on the merits, it was procedurally botched by the relatively inexperienced lawyer, Orly Taitz.
That CIA-backed Barry would foist fraudulent documentation should come as little surprise to an American electorate that has had to endure the long-overdue, hidden documentation of CIA involvement in the JFK assassination, even as it has had to enduring the 50+ Intelligence Chiefs that lied about their interference in the 2020 election by publicly declaring that the Hunter Biden laptop was Russian disinformation. The intelligence community's leaders have well earned their being fully reformed if not jettisoned by the American Government that is Of the People, By the People and For the People.
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Joseph Robinette Biden is a natural born citizen of these United States.
Persons born outside the territory or jurisdiction of the United States may be aliens or citizens at birth. Their eligibility for United States citizenship at birth is determined by the applicable United States statute law at the time of their birth. The currect applicable law is the Immigration and Naturalization Act of 1952, as amended.
De Vattel wrote a book entitled The Law of Nations. De Vattel died before the colonies declared independence. Unsurprisingly, his book was about the law of nations. That is the archaic term for International Law. United States citizenship is a purely domestic concern and International Law has no applicability whatever.
The citizenship law of the United States, before and after independence, followed English common law. All 13 original states adopted the English common law so far as it did not conflict with the Constitution. Each did so explicitly either in their state constitution or in their state statute law. The children of persons born in the United States have always been considered United States citizens at birth, including the children of aliens, with the exception of those born to a parent holding immunity from United States laws, such as accredited diplomats or visiting royalty.
The people did not adopt a letter by John Jay to David Brearly of August 29, 1787. In addition, the people did not adopt the previous letter from John Jay to George Washington of July 25, 1787 which referred to "natural born Citizen." Emphasis on the word "born" by John Jay as in the original handwritten document.
https://www.loc.gov/resource/mgw4.097_0189_0190/
A natural born citizen is one who acquired United States citizenship at birth due to the circumstances of his birth, in accordance with United States law. The 14th Amendment controls citizenship at birth of all born within the territory of the United States. Federal statute law controls the citizenship at birth of all those born outside the territory of the United States.
International law pertains to disputes between two or more nations. As citizenship determinations are strictly a domestic affair, international law does not determine the citizenship of anyone, anywhere.
In the case of Minor v. Happersett, there was no question of citizenship before the Court, and the Court decided no issue of citizenship. The Transcript of Record at 8-9 contains an agreed statement of facts by the parties which states in relevant part, "It is admitted by the pleadings that the plaintiff is a native-born, free white citizen of the United States and of the State of Missouri; that the defendant is a registrar, qualified and acting as such; that the plaintiff, in proper time and in proper form, made application to him to be registered, and that thje defendant refused to register the plaintiff solely for the reason that she is a female, (and that she possesses the qualifications of an elector in all respects, except as to the matter of sex, as before stated.)
Any claim that the Court decided anything about citizenship has no merit.
Minor v. Happersett, 88 U.S 167-68:
The Constitution does not in words say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that. At common law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners. Some authorities go further and include as citizens children born within the jurisdiction without reference to the citizenship of their parents. As to this class there have been doubts, but never as to the first. For the purposes of this case, it is not necessary to solve these doubts. It is sufficient for everything we have now to consider that all children born of citizen parents within the jurisdiction are themselves citizens.
In dictum, the Chief Justice (not the Court) observed that some authorities had doubts about citizenship without reference to parents, but noted that for purposes of the case in Minor in was not necessary to resolve those doubts. The issue was not argued before the Court and was not decided by the Court in Minor.
The issue was decided in United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649, 705 (1898):
The evident intention, and the necessary effect, of the submission of this case to the decision of the court upon the facts agreed by the parties were to present for determination the single question stated at the beginning of this opinion, namely, whether a child born in the United States, of parent of Chinese descent, who, at the time of his birth, are subjects of the Emperor of China, but have a permanent domicil and residence in the United States, and are there carrying on business, and are not employed in any diplomatic or official capacity under the Emperor of China, becomes at the time of his birth a citizen of the United States. For the reasons above stated, this court is of opinion that the question must be answered in the affirmative.
A natural born citizen, to use Jay's emphasis, is one who is born a citizen, as opposed to one who is born an alien and later naturalized.
Prior to independence, the colonists were natural born subjects of the king pursuant to English common law. After independence they ceased to be subjects and became citizens. The term from English common law was adapted to be natural born citizen. As noted by the Court in Wong Kim Ark at 169 U.S. 654, "The language of the Constitution, as has been well said, could not be understood without reference to the common law. Kent Com. 336; Bradley, J., in Moore v. United States, 91 U. S. 270, 91 U. S. 274."
This thread ought to bring out and expose the trolls that are over here from thefagblow.com.
I also am happy to see “nbC” as the Constitutional acronym, as that’s the way it’s penned.
I don’t buy the birth certificate story. Flying off to Kenya when one is pregnant was something people didn’t do 60 years ago. It was difficult and expensive and it’s not something I’d advise a pregnant woman to do even today.
I did find out about another birth certificate scandal. Unlike our Constitution, Australia’s really does ban those with dual citizenship from sitting in Parliament. The father of Anthony Albanese, the current Prime Minister, was Italian, which would have made Anthony, who was raised by his mother, a dual citizen of Australia and Italy. Albanese got around the law by producing a birth certificate which didn’t have his father’s name on it. Or at least that’s the story as I understand it.
In any case, are you aware of this?
(he was always a CIA plant as were many other potus')
And said Obama is still doing his evil works behind the scene pulling the strings as a master "Saul Alinsky style" community organizer serving a defacto 3rd term in the Oval Office via his front man, Joe Biden.
(the key is not to give him a fourth term by putting in Michael err... Michelle in office)