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Ben Shapiro on why God allows cruelty (vy short video: 58 secs)
youtube.com ^ | Ben Shapiro interviewed by Lex Fridman

Posted on 12/03/2022 3:44:57 AM PST by RoosterRedux

This is an excellent response to the question. One of the best and most concise I have ever heard (and fast...because Shapiro is a very fast speaker).


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To: RoosterRedux

People ask “Where is God?” when atrocities happen. God asks “Where is man?”


21 posted on 12/03/2022 6:20:52 AM PST by SkyDancer (I Walk In The Rain So Nobody Can See My Tears)
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To: SkyDancer
People ask “Where is God?” when atrocities happen. God asks “Where is man?”

What about some poor baby born with an untreatable (even by modern science) birth defect, who is doomed to die a slow, agonizing death?

I can understand (almost) God refraining from interceding to prevent acts of cruelty by humans against other human, since that would limit their Free Will.

But why does God allow untreatable birth defects, causing babies to suffer? How would it restrict Man's Free Will if such birth defects had simply never existed?

Regards,

22 posted on 12/03/2022 6:34:03 AM PST by alexander_busek (Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
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To: alexander_busek

Birth defects due to what exactly? Incest? Social conditions? Diseases? Biological problems with parents? And it’s all God’s fault. Got it.


23 posted on 12/03/2022 6:52:04 AM PST by SkyDancer (I Walk In The Rain So Nobody Can See My Tears)
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To: RoosterRedux

The idea that God does not intervene is untrue. He was there from day one, He created man, woman, marriage and a whole lot of other things that make us unique from beasts. He returned incarnate in Christ to show us more of His Glory. He continues His work in all aspects. He intervenes by intercession. He loves so much that He can turn Saul of Tarsus into Paul the Apostle.
He healed those in the land He walked in, to the point that many Scholars believe it was a period of almost no disease.
He is asking for you to follow Him. Because it would be impossible, He intervenes and empowers, often.
All of Creation testifies to this and it is just willingness to be in unbelief to believe otherwise.
Some people believe in a god and not The Creator God, who came and will
return.
A simple tour of the Grand Canyon will provide ample evidence of His major judgement upon the entire earth.


24 posted on 12/03/2022 7:13:57 AM PST by momincombatboots (QEphesians 6... who you are really at war with)
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To: momincombatboots
Did you watch the video? Your comment, however true, seems off-topic.

The point of the video is that God does not intervene in a way that deprives man of free will.

25 posted on 12/03/2022 7:43:24 AM PST by RoosterRedux
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To: RoosterRedux

Your right

Also it’s been said God protects crazy people and drunks it means a lot of people have a chance.


26 posted on 12/03/2022 7:48:33 AM PST by Vaduz (LAWYERS )
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To: alexander_busek; SkyDancer
Are you saying that God doesn't care or are you saying that there is no God? Or something else that I'm missing?

Sorry for inserting myself in a conversation you are having with someone else.

27 posted on 12/03/2022 7:50:00 AM PST by RoosterRedux
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To: Vaduz
God sure has protected me from the consequences of some pretty stupid things I have done over the years.

In fact, I would say the odds are overwhelmingly in favor of the conclusion that God pulled my fat out of the fire regularly.

I can confidently say that, without God, I would have been dead a long time ago.

BTW, I can't say it's coincidence because it has happened so many times it would be statistically impossible by a long shot.

28 posted on 12/03/2022 8:01:06 AM PST by RoosterRedux
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To: RoosterRedux

Exodus 9-12

“And the LORD hardened the heart of Pharaoh, and he hearkened not unto them; as the LORD had spoken unto Moses.”

Ruh Roh....This blows the claim the Bible God does not interfere with human free will...


29 posted on 12/03/2022 8:01:53 AM PST by HypatiaTaught ( Born Free, Live Free, Die Free)
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To: HypatiaTaught
Pharaoh first rejected God, God then rejected Pharaoh and condemned the Pharaoh by sealing his heart; don”t see a free will issue with that at all. The rejection begins with the second cause, not the first.
30 posted on 12/03/2022 8:12:38 AM PST by rollo tomasi
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To: RoosterRedux

Amen I’ve been on that same road


31 posted on 12/03/2022 8:17:50 AM PST by Vaduz (LAWYERS )
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To: HypatiaTaught
You raise an excellent point. I have read so many interpretations of that one verse that I am not sure what to conclude.

What do you make of that verse?

32 posted on 12/03/2022 8:21:13 AM PST by RoosterRedux
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To: RoosterRedux

Christ stated “Tetelestai”, not that hard to figure out why events occur/individuals chosen to get to carry out that plan God had. Church age carries on God’s next plan which is the Second Coming.

Again concerning free will, the secondary cause rejects intially, up to the sovereignty of the First Cause to decide what to do about that. God is God.


33 posted on 12/03/2022 8:32:05 AM PST by rollo tomasi
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To: Wilhelm Tell
"...I don’t know why people pick apart a minor detail and miss the whole point..."

Because there's nothing better than a theological debate in a "Comments" section of a chat group.

34 posted on 12/03/2022 8:34:29 AM PST by budj (Combat vet, second of three generations.)
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To: RoosterRedux

I’m saying that people are quick to blame God for all the misfortunes in the world; people ask why doesn’t He do something. Well He has but we killed them. Sixty three million kids murdered and in those there were scientists and doctors and educators plus other disciplines that would have eliminated some of the suffering going on. We do the best we can with what we have.


35 posted on 12/03/2022 10:34:08 AM PST by SkyDancer (I Walk In The Rain So Nobody Can See My Tears)
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To: alexander_busek
PS: That poor baby born with an un-treatable birth defect could have been saved by perhaps some of those sixty-three million aborted/murdered babies. There could have been scientists and doctors and educators and discoverers of vaccines (imagine if Dr. Salk would have been aborted).

People are so quick to blame God for things that could have been prevented by humans.

36 posted on 12/03/2022 10:40:23 AM PST by SkyDancer (I Walk In The Rain So Nobody Can See My Tears)
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To: SkyDancer
PS: That poor baby born with an un-treatable birth defect could have been saved by perhaps some of those sixty-three million aborted/murdered babies. There could have been scientists and doctors and educators and discoverers of vaccines (imagine if Dr. Salk would have been aborted).

There were babies dying in the Middle Ages, etc. - from diseases that 21st-century medicine is still incapable of treating.

Abortion is immoral - but can't be blamed for the millions who have died in past centuries from diseases that still aren't curable today.

Regards,

37 posted on 12/03/2022 12:26:22 PM PST by alexander_busek (Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
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To: SkyDancer
People are so quick to blame God for things that could have been prevented by humans.

I am not blaming God for things that could have been prevented by humans.

Are you seriously claiming that there are no natural catastrophes (earthquakes, typhoons, etc.), genetic defects (Sickle Cell Anemia, haemophilia, etc.) that killed millions in ancient or medieval times, when not even Man's best efforts could have prevented the human death toll?

Regards,

38 posted on 12/03/2022 12:30:27 PM PST by alexander_busek (Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
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To: SkyDancer
Birth defects due to what exactly? Incest? Social conditions? Diseases? Biological problems with parents? And it’s all God’s fault. Got it.

What about genetic defects? Not due to incest.

Over time, millions of babies have died, e.g., because of Sickle Cell Anemia - a natural genetic defect.

Regards,

39 posted on 12/03/2022 12:36:12 PM PST by alexander_busek (Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
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Well, I guess you should talk with God to find out.


40 posted on 12/03/2022 12:40:47 PM PST by SkyDancer (I Walk In The Rain So Nobody Can See My Tears)
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