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To: ConservativeMind
I do not believe a word of this.
4 posted on 12/01/2022 8:34:53 PM PST by Radix (The perfect Tag Line is recognized by its conciseness and brev)
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To: Radix
I do not believe a word of this.

When I first became a firefighter over 30 years ago, we used “demand valve” masks delivering pure oxygen directly to patients who we were performing CPR on. We were able to pink up even people who had been down for quite a while, and with shocks and drugs we often got their hearts to start pumping again. We called this “a save”. This was very satisfying because we thought that we were helping them.

The problem which was noticed by medical providers who took care of the people we delivered to hospitals is that nearly all of the people who we used demand valves on were dead within a few days. People who received CPR using mouth to mouth and “bag valves” which deliver oxygen through a face mask by squeezing the bag had much better outcomes and survival.

Because people refused to believe that the demand valves were actually increasing mortality, despite ever-increasing evidence... we continued to use them for years. Who knows how many people whose lives our bull-headed attitudes killed. It is good to be skeptical, but some of the time our firmly held beliefs turn out to be wrong.

8 posted on 12/01/2022 10:33:59 PM PST by fireman15 (Irritating people are the grit from which we fashion our pearl. I provide the grit. You're Welcome.)
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To: Radix
said, "I do not believe a word of this."

It's basic chemistry. What do you have excesses iron, nitric oxide and Oxygen? hydroxyl Radical
Primarily in the lungs where the oxygen is coming in at.
This is why 80% of the patients on oxygen died with covid.
Fe2+ -NO+O2 ---> Fe3+ -ONOO- ---> F3+ + NO-3 -ONOO is Peroxynitrite Reaction is speed up with pressure of O2 Nitric oxide and iron proteins
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0005272899000213?via%3Dihub
10 posted on 12/02/2022 1:34:29 AM PST by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric Cartman voice* 'I love you, guys')
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To: Radix

You can believe every word of it. We have know for quite a long time that oxygen contents higher than FiO2 of 60% free radical injury. We always strive whether intraoperatively or in ICU to limit oxygen inspiration to under these levels. The injury is time dependent as well. The longer the time the worse the injury in the organ systems.


12 posted on 12/02/2022 2:45:27 AM PST by gas_dr (Conditions of Socratic debate: Intelligence, Candor, and Good Will)
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