Mongol kh
Posted on 10/21/2022 9:18:12 AM PDT by Cronos
Mongol kh
https://www.diercke.com/content/asia-circa-1300-978-3-14-100790-9-92-2-0
Used to read quite a bit about the Mongol era.
They were unparalleled butchers and masters of evil. Yet somehow they have largely been given a pass by modern historians…probably because they are not of western civilization.
Examples:
They perfected Genocide waaaayy before Hitler, Stalin and the Armenian massacre. On his rise to power Genghis exterminated an entire tribe..can’t remember which one..maybe the “white” mongols. Anyway he ordered all “men” as tall or taller than a cart wheeled executed and then 100% of the women enslaved.
They went on to conqueror the Khwarazmian Empire and rivers of blood flowed. You can look up the civilian populations massacred and it’s a list of 80,000 there 150,000 there, 72,000…here. When Baghdad was razed they killed SO many civilians the stench of 100s of thousands of corpses made them move their camp TWO times. Arabic sources claim 2,000,000 men, women and children were slaughtered…that’s when the population of the entire world (including the undiscovered americas) was about 1/2 billion. Islam literally almost disappeared at the height of their power…(hmmmm).
When they invaded Japan (and lost btw) they skewered hands of civilian captives (children too) and roped them together because it was easier than tying those finicky knots individually.
I don’t think even historians know how many Chinese the mongols killed. Millions upon millions.
Mongols wallowed in slavery.
Genghis Khan raped, married and bought so many women that up to 1 in every 10 men in Central Asia can trace ancestry directly to him today! His men did similar but to a less prolific degree.
Yes They were evil incarnate.
Yet modern western historians will say Christian conservative males are somehow the most evil…because we generally don’t like trans stripping in front of kids , do like Trump and want a regulated border I guess.
Then he went on to write "War, What Is It Good For?"
So the peaceful Rus villagers were attacked by Mongols, and forced to pay tribute, prompting their union and defense, accomplished by Peter The Great, where they prevailed defeating and driving out the Mongols, whereupon the Russians (!) refused to continue to pay tribute to Mongol Kahn Crimea, and made Crimea Russian in 1685.
That's good to know.
They found the easiest way to rule a territory was to pretty much kill everyone that could resist.
Then, tax the be-jeezus out of everyone who was left.
Back in Nevsky’s day, the Mongols of what would be the Golden Horde were shamanist, not Muslim.
Good post. I might point out though that insofar as Islam is concerned, had it not been for the resistance that the Mongols encountered with the Mamluks all of western Europe may have fallen to them.
“””...When they invaded Japan ...”””
Mongols did reach the dense forests of Germany, Italy, etc. But decided that there were not enough grass to feed horses. Thus, turned around. This was the only documented reason for not-occupying of western Europe.
Is it any wonder that the ruling Russian authorities today fear encroachment from their western enemies?
Purely in self interest. After all, who kills a valuable working slave?
Complete bs. No one is going to invade nuclear Russia.
Interesting. The Mongol Empire used to collect tribute from their slave or vassal States and when those slave and vassal States stopped paying tribute the Mongol Empire collapsed.
The USSR/Russia emulated the Mongols by extracting tribute and slaves from Eastern Europe and the ‘stans.
Now Putin wants to restore a fallen empire and tribute will of course be paid to Moscow. Given how he is kidnapping Ukrainians from Ukraine and deporting them as far as Siberia it is also clear that he wants slaves.
Nothing ever changes in Russia but the names.
We see it on display every day, in the once-truth-seeking US free press, academia, and certainly in the US government.
I reject your thesis that the Mongols weren’t that bad as long as you gave up freedom. They were tolerant to the religious freedom of the 20% they didn’t slaughter…oh boy. (Or whatever % in conquered areas).
Here is an idea..maybe they would have had more religious freedom of their chosen religion if their countries were not conquered by domination bent and murderous Mongols?
They killed so many people the earths climate actually changed a little:
https://news.mongabay.com/2011/01/how-genghis-khan-cooled-the-planet/
And they certainly did land on a Japanese island:
‘ The Yuan invasion forces set off from Happo (合浦,Modern day Masan), Korea on 2 November 1274 (October 5 in the lunar calendar).[12][13][14] Two days later they began landing on Tsushima Island. The principal landing was made at Komoda beach near Sasuura, on the northwestern tip of the southern island.”
They also landed at Hataka Bay which is on a main Island Kyushu:
“ The Yuan fleet crossed the sea and landed in Hakata Bay on 19 November, a short distance from Dazaifu, the ancient administrative capital of Kyūshū. The following day brought the Battle of Bun’ei (文永の役), also known as the “First Battle of Hakata Bay”.
Conlan argues that the History of Yuan’s account of the battle suggests that both the Japanese and Yuan forces were of similar size. Conlan estimates that both armies numbered around 3,000 each (not including the Yuan sailors) during this battle[21] while Japanese historians estimate 6,000 defenders on the Japanese s”
Oh and lastly you are also mistaken on the uniquely religious freedom nonsense. Way before the Mongols the Persians were tolerant: “ Cyrus, was tolerant of all the religious sects and cults of the people he conquered”.
So did Buddhism and they didn’t even have to mass murder and rape first:
“ Aspects of Buddhist religious thought, which originated in India, also justified peacefulness and toleration. Ashoka (r. c. 273–232 B.C.E.), the last emperor of the Mauryan dynasty in India, renounced war and promoted Buddhism while remaining tolerant of other religions.”
You remind and amaze me again at how people can be defenders of the Genocidal Mongols.
Just something I used to have a big interest in.
Yes the Mamelukes were a big factor. I’ve also heard it argued that the forests and high numbers of castles made Europe less than appealing for the cavalry based Mongols.
” The important part of the Mongols’ policy was that they protected the Russian Orthodox churches, never ravaged them, and kept the clergy safe. For protection, the church was obliged to preach allegiance to the Mongol Tatars to their parishioners.”
Russia has had a state denomination ever since.
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