Posted on 10/18/2022 2:49:46 AM PDT by RoosterRedux
[In 2017], a stunning exposé of U.S. government efforts to investigate unidentified flying objects appeared in the New York Times. An accompanying article paints a vivid portrait of an extraordinary, multi-witness UFO encounter off the coast of southern California. A follow-on piece describes naval aviators’ frequent observations – corroborated by multiple sensors – of unknown objects exhibiting seemingly highly advanced technology.
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Critically, officials have high confidence that secret U.S. aircraft or experimental technologies are not responsible for these perplexing encounters. At the same time, analysts have no evidence that a foreign power is behind hundreds of UFO reports.
At this point, any intelligence analyst worth his salt should sound the alarm about the UFO phenomenon.
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[But] woe to the analyst who presents policymakers with evidence of a compelling, yet entirely unknown, phenomenon that may (or may not) pose a grave threat. Such ambiguity is anathema to rigid bureaucratic structures, missions and mindsets.
Cassandra’s curse strikes even more forcefully if the analyst sounding the alarm on UFOs cannot offer decisionmakers concrete recommendations to address this mysterious phenomenon. Policymakers, after all, are answerable to higher-ranking policymakers who expect options for navigating a particular issue.
At the same time, a unique cognitive trap can impede objective analysis or action on UFOs. If decisionmakers believe that a technology, risk or threat simply cannot exist, then all data indicating otherwise is ignored, trivialized or explained away.
Clarke alludes to this “It can’t be, so it isn’t” phenomenon, writing that policymakers presented with compelling evidence of an impending catastrophe “often go into an implicit state of denial. They may not dispute the evidence and reject the warning, but they don’t act as though they actually believe it to be true.”
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I agree also...
Apollo fell in love with her and granted her the gift of prophecy; she promised to bear him a child. When she broke her word, he punished her by making it so that nobody would heed her warnings.
Even if it were alien, what would we do about it? It seems as if the technological gap of where we are vs. where the operators of these craft are is enormous. Likewise, attempting to close that gap would involve a Manhattan Project type effort X 100. In short, something we may not have the resources to do, especially if there is no theoretical basis for such an undertaking.
That’s all in concern of the “abductee” aspect of UFOlogy.
Calling them ‘experiencers’ is one way to put it, but it’s been my observation whenever listening/watching interviews with these people is that they all feel special because of it. Many of them are not conscious of it and would probably even deny it, but many of them come right out and admit it. They’ll say how horrible it all is and how it’s ruined their lives, but that they believe there is something special about them that is the reason for it. It’s psychological, and as a skeptic, I have a very difficult time not making subjective value judgements about them.
There is another issue all together that bothers me a lot more. The reports for many many decades that ‘they’ (UFOs, when not abducting people I guess) are almost always reported around nuclear facilities, both military and private, and both weapon based as well as energy related. Also, it appears it happens all over the world, not just in the U.S.
Speaking subjectively, and from a human perspective, this could be a good thing, or it could be a very bad thing. The most likely possibility is that they view nuclear capability is their greatest and perhaps only threat. This makes a lot of sense, and even if their position for all the recconnasance is passive but defensive, it is still difficult to expect that it wouldn’t be leading up to.... something. To put a more biblical slant on that notion (someone posted a video link about fallen angels which I haven’t watched yet but will), I don’t think many of the non human powers are always significantly present, and there are many types. You have references to the fallen ones, the watchers, angels, demons that can possess, etc, but it seems to me that they come and go, such as when god judged that the earth must be rid of evil and brought the flood. These information gathering phenomenon appear to me to be less significant in the sense that that would be a part of their operational set of function. They themselves are not particularly a threat.
The alternative would be that they do not engage but their purpose is conceptually “good”. IE: They are watchers and subjectively ambivalent but would protect us from causing our own massive apocalypse. This all seems like a wonderful thought and there is a case to be made for it; many abductees are given this message, as well as the fact that they phenomenon seemed to appear around nuclear facilities just a few years after the second world war, as examples. I wouldn’t trust it because if it/they have malicious designs, they’d say they were here for our benefit anyway, in order to aid in progressing their objectives.
Of course, the most plausible explanation is that this is not a real phenomenon at all.
Any time the government claims they are not the source of a troubling phenomenon my BS meter clicks over. I don’t think we know of even half of the actual governmental entities that exist. I’m sure it’s true that the Forestry service, the department of agriculture and the bureau of mines knows nothing about these things but I’m equally certain there’s a group that does.
A shadow department with as few as a hundred employees could easily be responsible for this technology
Another plausible argument is that they are not aliens at all, but members of previous civilization that lived on Earth or may still do to some extent.
Look at megalithic structures polar alignments - some point to a pole 25,000 years ago, others to a second pole 50,000 years ago and still others to a third pole 100,000 years ago - these points seem to indicate when the structures where originally built, but not to when archeologists theorize.
Its not some much the archeologists are wrong, but rather people tend to reuse previously built structures for their own purposes, not the original builders purposes - its the recent leavings that archeologists use to date the structures (this may rapidly change if and when optically stimulated luminescence dating is more widely accepted and become cheaper to use the technique which allows dating when two pieces of rock where joined).
Or explain how it was the Cain left Eden and went to live in a city with other people (don’t know the passage, sorry).
What we have now is a major transition from 15th - mid-20th century thinking about origins and histories - like any such transition, it takes a very long time to make the change over.
Another plausible argument is that they are not aliens at all, but members of previous civilization that lived on Earth or may still do to some extent.
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YES!
That is much more plausible, actually, and I’ve posted that before, on here as well. That odd part is why and how they decided to go underground. Why have they left, at least visibly?
Time is not static and linear for them. So they are from the past, present, and the future. Some could even be us from our future.
“This all seems like a wonderful thought and there is a case to be made for it; many abductees are given this message, as well as the fact that they phenomenon seemed to appear around nuclear facilities just a few years after the second world war, as examples.”
And the recent uptick in sightings claimed over the Ukraine conflict. Foo fighters in WWII, appearances at some missile launches, Etc.
I read a very interesting explanation about that from an "experiencer" who was rendered a reason. It went something like this: The ET indicated that a soul can survive almost every death; however, a soul will not survive a death from within the burst of a nuclear weapon. There is great concern for the safety of earthly souls because we have those weapons and have proven to be willing to use them. The human is also a very hair-triggered entity, very much prone to violence and revenge. Humans have a tendency to fear the unknown and kill unusual species. It is common for humans not to value other living things. Now that we have entered space there is great fear that we will bring hostility and weapons into the larger Creation.
And just how do we know that's true, Little ET? Was that the way it worked on Zeta Reticuli?;-)
Tell that to my house-full of cats.
That answer would be the classic enigma wrapped in a secret and then hidden away. Now we're to the base of things: Do we believe the experiencers and then do we believe the visitors? Both are toughies.
No, unlike GingisK, I would not scoff at this concept, and I have thought of it before as well. Even if the body survives, it is widely excepted that the soul is not purely physical. If it was, obviously, it would have been discovered by now. But there is a big difference between dying by trauma or disease and decomposing, and even by burning or cremation and what happens if you are near the detonation of an atomic blast, which is far more than just heat energy. Perhaps to a secularist or athiest, the idea of a soul/spirit is comedic, but even if you are not Christian, there are a lot of other religions and even New-Agers who believe variously in the idea of souls or an after-life.
What would worry me is the question of who and why they are so concerned about the preservation of souls. It’s a very worrisome question if these ‘entities’ are not doing God’s work.
Mack, Hopkins, and David Jacobs all developed strategies for identifying people who they believed were dishonestly inventing yarns regardless of motive (whether consciously and/or unconsciously).
The stories of some publically-known people (like John Ramirez, Jim Semivan, and Garry Nolan) hang on their reputations and general credibility. I might add that the stories of Ramirez, Semivan, and Nolan are only incidental to their contributions to the "UFO/visitor" narrative and just provide interesting backstories.
What is reeeeeely interesting are the events that are said to occur at Chris Bledsoe's property down in North Carolina (mostly orbs, visitations, and high-strangeness in general). They have been witnessed by many other people and these people have gone on record.
I do not scoff at this concept even a tiny bit. I just do not claim to know it is fact.
Ray Fowler did a series of hypnotic regressions on Betty Andreasson that really raised my eyebrows. Her account was very detailed; and, she now sees the ETs/whatever as benevolent. Very weird, however. A disturbing aspect was the ET claim that they strongly influenced our creation and ongoing maintenance. It has been many years since I read either the “Andreasson Affair” or “Watchers”, both related to Betty Andreasson.
Betty Andreasson said they told her that they are doing two other things besides watching. First, they are using our DNA and other animal DNA to repair their genetics. Their species is very very old and has suffered something like inbreeding due to the time span. Second, they are combining our DNA with theirs in order to make a hybrid species capable of living on this planet in the distant future. They also wish to walk among us as equals.
Betty described seeing hybrid humans in glass tanks and in classrooms. She was introduced to two hybrid girls that were her daughters.
The lore gets very deep in this UFO stuff.
Betty described seeing hybrid humans in glass tanks and in classrooms. She was introduced to two hybrid girls that were her daughters.
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That is a a story I’ve heard many times from abductees. Particularly the females but not always. I wonder what percentage of them had children of their own. I may be off base here and I’m not being intentionally hostile, but just like when I said that a common thread among abductees is that they all said (no matter how negative the experience itself was said to be) that it made them feel special somehow. I think psychology plays the greatest part in all this, and this may sound cliche or stereotyping but it’s a fact that for women the yearning to have children is a powerful psychic force.
You don’t sound hostile, just skeptical. That is good in these parts.
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