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sn't it funny how a national government can be literally overthrown in a violent coup openly fomented by our government, including sitting Senators, and when the people who live in said land say screw you! to that the government then turns around and say "you have no choice, slave!" and declares their intent to walk off on a peaceful basis illegal?

Oh, that wasn't the first time either. Let's go back and remember all the fun and games with regards to Crimea generally, a piece of land purchased by Catherine The Great (of Russia) and thus unmistakably property paid for consensually at the time of said transfer.

In the 1950s, following a bunch of civil unrest and the area becoming basically ungovernable Kruschev allowed Crimea's governance to be part of a "special administrative area", otherwise known as Ukraine. Said now-nation (Ukraine) declared itself independent in 1990, which of course violated Russian sovereignty and pre-dated The Wall coming down and formal dissolution of the USSR. By what right did Ukraine do this, and if they had the right to do so and leave Russia then so does any part of Ukraine have the right to do so now. In other words either Ukraine itself is illegitimate or these regions have every right to do what Ukraine did.

One year later, post Ukraine declaring itself "not part of the USSR" Crimea held a referendum which passed with 94% support to rejoin what was then the USSR, and declared independence. Mere months later the Parliament of Crimea, without consent of the people, revoked that.

The next year Crimea reversed that decision and drafted its own constitution. Ukraine refused to recognize it even though just a year prior it was all to the good. Uh huh. Oh yeah, that was repeated via a second referendum in 1994 which Ukraine also refused to recognize.

A year later Ukraine dissolved the Crimean Parliament and, by pure decree, also dissolved the post of "President" there as well.

This is just a sample; it didn't end there, and in fact kept on right up until 2014 when the entire Government of Ukraine was illegally overthrown in a violent coup. That, standing alone, should have ended the question as to whether Crimea (never mind the other Russian-affiliated portions of the eastern part of the nation) had any sort of sovereign ties to Ukraine proper. Either the 2014 actions which the US fomented were invalid and everyone involved in them and the succession of power since, including Zelinskyy should be brought up on international charges and hanged or it is beyond question that as of 2014 those "breakaway" portions of the nation had and continue to have every right to walk off because the government to which they acceded on an alleged "voluntary" basis even if you originally accept it was voluntary despite reasonable doubt it was, no longer existed as of 2014.

1 posted on 09/30/2022 7:15:18 PM PDT by Skywise
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To: Skywise

Those regions held a Referenda in 2015 (I believe around that year) and Russia opted to not allow them to join then. Don’t ask me why, I don’t know.


2 posted on 09/30/2022 7:17:14 PM PDT by cranked
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For all those that think this is peachy

Should we now let the south secede?

Should we let the west coast vote to leave?

My response is if they want to leave, they can leave, but we’re keeping the land.


3 posted on 09/30/2022 7:28:06 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; not averse to Going Bronson.)
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An important point not mentioned much is those sections that are now legally Russian territories again are also mostly Russian-Speaking.

One thing I find quite amusing is the left has been using weaponized lawfare against the American people for years now. J6 is a perfect example followed by all the illegal raids by the DOJ/FBI.

Now lawfare was used against the Uniparty/Ukraine/NATO to benefit Russia.

The burn of karma can be a real bish sometimes.


5 posted on 09/30/2022 7:45:39 PM PDT by Boomer ( What's the difference between Nazi Germany in 1932 and the USA in 2022? 5k miles and 90 years.)
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In Russia you don’t vote for Putin.
Putin votes for you.


7 posted on 09/30/2022 7:47:59 PM PDT by DannyTN
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It’s a memory thing for the war-mongers.
They can’t recall anything beyond what happened a year to nine months ago—no precedent, no history, just a perpetual present. They can’t even remember who their enemies are.
Like Biden.


18 posted on 09/30/2022 9:02:08 PM PDT by tsomer
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It’s a sham, Karl.

Some 5,500 Russians are now surrounded in the area of Lyman. If none of them escape, they will all be killed or captured in the Donetsk Oblast now claimed as Russian soil by the Russians.


19 posted on 09/30/2022 9:14:05 PM PDT by familyop ("For they that sleep with dogs, shall rise with fleas" (John Webster, "The White Devil" 1612).)
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Karl went to the dark side as far as appearing on Voice of America and Russia Today (RT).


21 posted on 09/30/2022 9:22:00 PM PDT by familyop ("For they that sleep with dogs, shall rise with fleas" (John Webster, "The White Devil" 1612).)
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Correction:

Karl went to the dark side as far as appearing on Voice of Russia and Russia Today (RT).


22 posted on 09/30/2022 9:23:55 PM PDT by familyop ("For they that sleep with dogs, shall rise with fleas" (John Webster, "The White Devil" 1612).)
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To: Skywise

btt


28 posted on 10/01/2022 5:25:40 AM PDT by KSCITYBOY (The media is corrupt)
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