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No one in physics dares say so, but the race to invent new particles is pointless
The Guardian ^ | 26 September 2022 | Sabine Hossenfelder

Posted on 09/28/2022 2:06:48 AM PDT by zeestephen

In private, many physicists admit they do not believe the particles they are paid to search for exist – they do it because their colleagues are doing it..."As a former particle physicist, it saddens me to see that the field has become a factory for useless academic papers."

(Excerpt) Read more at theguardian.com ...


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To: NorthMountain

“Good to see at least ONE comment here that’s not complete ignorant nonsense.”

An anomaly.


41 posted on 09/28/2022 10:39:28 AM PDT by TexasGator (!!!)
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To: aquila48

Science is as much as any other endeavor subject to “peer pressure”. If your colleagues are all off chasing bizarrely named particles that probably don’t even exist, and you’re doing something useful (I’m not a particle physicist, so I’m not sure how to give a really good example), it limits your ability to talk in the faculty lounge. Fewer people are interested in your papers. It takes longer to publish. But if you jump on the bandwagon chasing the latest ‘crapton’ ... Well now. You’re one of the cool kids! And, of course, the Benjamins will follow.

In many respects, scientific research is broken. Big Foundations and Big Government had a lot to do with breaking it.


42 posted on 09/28/2022 10:42:26 AM PDT by NorthMountain (... the right of the peopIe to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed)
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To: Captain Compassion

OK.

I watched it again.

It’s growing on me ...


43 posted on 09/28/2022 10:48:08 AM PDT by NorthMountain (... the right of the peopIe to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed)
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To: NorthMountain

“In many respects, scientific research is broken. Big Foundations and Big Government had a lot to do with breaking it.”

Amen to that!

Most of the funding is provided by politicians, bureaucrats and activists who have taken over the foundations.

So what you end up with is 95% “political science” and 5% real science. And billions wasted.

And actually it’s worse than wasting billions, it’s destructive because it’s used to push their radical agenda.

There would be less damage done if those billions were just burned.


44 posted on 09/28/2022 11:47:56 AM PDT by aquila48 (Do not let them make you "care" ! Guilting you is how thery control you. )
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To: NorthMountain

Eisenhower’s Farewell Address

https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/documents/farewell-radio-and-television-address-the-american-people

… Today, the solitary inventor, tinkering in his shop, has been overshadowed by task forces of scientists in laboratories and testing fields. In the same fashion, the free university, historically the fountainhead of free ideas and scientific discovery, has experienced a revolution in the conduct of research.

Partly because of the huge costs involved, a government contract becomes virtually a substitute for intellectual curiosity. For every old blackboard there are now hundreds of new electronic computers.

The prospect of domination of the nation’s scholars by Federal employment, project allocations, and the power of money is ever present—and is gravely to be regarded.

Yet, in holding scientific research and discovery in respect, as we should, we must also be alert to the equal and opposite danger that public policy could itself become the captive of a scientific-technological elite...


45 posted on 09/28/2022 12:02:24 PM PDT by jjotto ( Blessed are You LORD, who crushes enemies and subdues the wicked.)
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To: zeestephen

Sabine is a wicked purveyor of truth...

Kicks ass and takes names...


46 posted on 09/28/2022 12:02:44 PM PDT by SuperLuminal
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To: jjotto
Just remember: Eisenhower won his war with the absolutely necessary assistance of "task forces of scientists in laboratories and testing fields". RADAR, SONAR, cryptography and cryptanalysis, nuclear bombs ...

For every old blackboard there are now hundreds of new electronic computers.

No kidding ... the problems being addressed are generally beyond the capability of chalk and blackboard.

47 posted on 09/28/2022 12:19:33 PM PDT by NorthMountain (... the right of the peopIe to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed)
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To: NorthMountain

>> admit you had no idea who or what Sabine Hossenfelder is

you realize you’re no less of an idiot, right?


48 posted on 09/29/2022 12:29:55 AM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: Gene Eric

You’re not doin’ yerself any favors, boy ...


49 posted on 09/29/2022 3:33:43 AM PDT by NorthMountain (... the right of the peopIe to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed)
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