Posted on 09/20/2022 3:40:31 AM PDT by RoosterRedux
This book can be downloaded for free from various sources linked herein.
I am currently reading this book and thought some of you who follow this topic my enjoy it. It was first published in 1979.
I am not even halfway through it but find it very interesting. Vallee (in this book at least) takes a very scientific approach to the subject and (at least as far as I have read so far) is quite skeptical of the various UFO accounts.
His conclusions (so far...) are that, yes, there is something going on, there is an intelligence behind it, that intelligence might or might not be some nefarious human group, the intelligence behind it cannot keep its stories straight (nothing but lies), and there seems to be a method to the madness of whatever intelligence is behind the UFO encounters (that is, it seems to be directing its victims toward certain ways of thinking about reality, life, the planet, and, of course, the occupants of these so-called UFOs).
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I see your point, Rooster.
They didn’t worship, Jesus. They just acknowledged that they knew who He was and they feared being tormented “before their time.” I don’t think they understand Jesus as Messiah, however.
I think they’d puke pea soup and their heads would twirl 360 degrees on their scrawny lil necks if they were asked to worship Our Lord.
My thought is that, if they are playing the role of the space alien, they will be free to answer any question that you might ask them while in that role.
Is Satan condemned?
Satan (playing the space alien) “Yes, he’s condemned.”
They won’t be answering questions about themselves. They will be answering questions about demons or Christiology or God or Jesus Christ, while playing the role of the space alien.
Rooster, don’t kill me, but let me throw this into the mix:
Are they fallen angels or are they demons?
The story sounds made up. Just the mention of Jesus would have terrified them
Demons don’t have bodies.
Correct, Roving.
Jesus’ interaction with the demons shows us that demons need a body to inhabit. Angels on the other hand, can appear in a body.
It is supposed, and I have no good argument against it, that the demons are the spirits of the deceased funky lil children of the fallen angels.
They don’t have frail and mortal bodies, like we do.
It doesn’t mean they cannot assume physical form or have a phsyical form that we do not understand.
In fact, I'm not exactly sure how to differentiate between demons and fallen angels myself.
I have heard some theologians say they are the same and I have heard some theologians say that demons are the spirits of the dead Nephilim (offspring of fallen angels) and fallen angels are, well, the fallen watchers described in Gen 6 and the Apocrypha (the Ethiopian Book of Enoch--1 Enoch--and others).
Messengers of Deception: I wondered where democrats came from
Thanks for the ping—you probably have figured out my take on these things—variation on Vallee’s views:
(1) There are con artist frauds and government disinformation and brainwashing mixed in, but there is also a “there there”.
(2) The biggest scam of the “aliens” is the claim that they come from outer space and live “out there” among the planet and stars and galaxies.
(3) The “aliens” have a very simple secret—they live here, have lived here for thousands of years, and probably predate homo sapiens on this planet. In their view this is their planet and we are the aliens.
(4) They have high tech which includes consciousness tampering, playing games with time and shape-shifting so they can appear in whatever form they wish.
(5) They do not like nuclear weapons or environmental degradation because they live here.
(6) They have weaknesses that include a weak DNA line that needs replenishment for other sources (primarily human but perhaps cattle as well).
(7) As to government policy, it has been hamstrung by compartmentalization and secrecy—and as a result when an “expert” dies a lot of the “secrets” can die with them.
(8) There is no unified US or other government “policy” on this stuff nor is there any group with the authority to determine such a policy. Governments are “muddling through”, kicking the can down the road, and have no clue how to deal with this stuff.
(9) We are not reverse engineering the aliens stuff—they are altering our stuff. This means that alien artifacts that will be found will have common terran compounds and alloys.
They have figured out how to use these normal materials to accomplish their ends—no need for exotic elements.
(10) The “true alien” shape is the tall whites with smaller greys as a servant (part biological, part tech) class. There may some “lesser” alien types that pass as elves or gnomes etc. but most of those are caused by shape-shifting.
(11) They are not angels and they are not demons. Our moral characterization of them is irrelevant to them and useless for us.
(I reserve the right to change my opinion on any of this if better evidence presents itself.)
;-)
What about the praying mantis type of alien? Any thoughts on them?
I think they are similar to the tall whites—could be shape shifting going on.
I am not persuaded the tall whites and the praying mantises are separate species—I just find it hard to buy that there are dozens of different alien species wandering around here given that shape-shifting is doable for them.
Makes sense.
God does miracles, angels use technology ... and there are good angels and bad angels. Both use technology. If lies and deception are detected, it’s the bad angels. For an example of encounter with good angels, I offer the Travis Walton ‘abduction’ case. He was accidentally slammed by the propulsion system of a craft, then the occupants took him on borad to aid his recovery. He was ‘gone’ for several days. His experience is the fictionalized Fire In The Sky movie ... very fictionalized. There are several youtube vids of him speaking of his experience.
Linda Moulton Howe has been swept away with the great lie that the aliens created humans. she is completely lost to that lie. And her condition is partly due to Army Intel promoting that lie to her.
Because of angelic brilliance, what we are calling ‘little greys’ may be biological constructs with specific limits to their mental functioning. As such they would not be effected by the truth of Jesus one way or the other. There may be uncountable numbers of inhabited planets, but what if these intelligent inhabitants do not have a spirit? ... Think about the ramifications of that one!
Linda Moulton Howe decided to pursue “the alien mystery” as a career—which made her easy pickings for the disinformation specialists—both ours and theirs!
Aliens probably did not “create” humans, but it would not surprise me at all if they did some DNA “enhancements” here and there—including making humans susceptible to their mind-control tech.
One clue in this area is the relationship of the “aliens” and dogs.
Aliens are terrified of them, and will kill them if they get to close to alien operations.
Humans stumbling upon aliens are normally “frozen” and/or “memory wiped” and/or given false memories/screen memories.
On the other hand it appears the dog senses are not easily manipulated by alien tech.
As a descendant from Adam, every human so descended has a body, a spirit, and a soul (behavior mechanism of mind, will, and emotions, regulated by specific areas of the brain and in concert). God created Adfam and then Eve. If you are a descendant from Adam you have nothing that angelic beings created in you. One of the reasons for the Tribulation that is coming is to give humans a last chance to believe God. Try to believe God nstead of imaginings.
One person’s “imaginings” is another person’s metaphysical certainty.
Welcome to the land of Homo Sapiens.
The aliens do not find this amusing.
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