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JAMES WEBB SPACE TELESCOPE SHOWS BIG BANG DIDN’T HAPPEN? WAIT…
Mind Matters News ^ | 8/13/22 | Rob Webb

Posted on 09/15/2022 12:56:44 PM PDT by OneVike

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To: Reily

“the BBT posits a beginning just like Genesis is a beginning. “

The BBT does not posit a beginning. It posits a point in time after the beginning.


61 posted on 09/15/2022 2:47:21 PM PDT by TexasGator ( Gator in Florids)
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To: TexasGator

So does Genesis.


62 posted on 09/15/2022 2:49:40 PM PDT by Reily
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To: Verginius Rufus

Well considering it was proping up the FBI, maybe they should in light of today’s modern FBI.


63 posted on 09/15/2022 2:49:48 PM PDT by OneVike (Just another Christian waiting to go home)
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To: Reily

“Anyway, theories are proposed,”

Hypotheses are proposed and tested.


64 posted on 09/15/2022 2:50:32 PM PDT by TexasGator ( Gator in Florids)
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To: OneVike

“As explained elsewhere, their understanding of the inflation was drastically overstated, because they expected to find young universes, and what they found was universes looking like our universe and all the others they found,”

We have never found another universe. Our best understanding is our universe is infinite.


65 posted on 09/15/2022 2:53:08 PM PDT by TexasGator ( Gator in Florids)
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To: TexasGator

Yes, they are.
BBT had met some tests, not others, maybe failing. Jury’s still out as far as I can tell.

What do you replace it with?
Go back to Steady State?


66 posted on 09/15/2022 2:54:33 PM PDT by Reily
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To: gop4lyf

The big bang happened “Everywhere”
It was smaller than a proton..that was the size of the universe when it happened and expanded from there.
So they say...


67 posted on 09/15/2022 2:56:54 PM PDT by mowowie
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To: one guy in new jersey

There is no center of the universe.”
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As a matter of fact it’s all centrific.

Nice Pink Floyd reference. Now for something completely different.
I’m not dead yet. Think I’ll go for a walk.

https://www.universetoday.com/157264/the-latest-webb-observations-dont-disprove-the-big-bang-but-they-are-interesting/


68 posted on 09/15/2022 2:59:43 PM PDT by thepoodlebites (and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.)
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To: humblegunner

He doesn’t seem pissed off to me. He seems to be reveling in the schadenfreude - as am I.

Apparently the science isn’t “settled”.🤣


69 posted on 09/15/2022 3:01:06 PM PDT by cuban leaf (My prediction: Harris is Spiro Agnew. We'll soon see who becomes Gerald Ford, and our next prez.)
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To: Licensed-To-Carry
Or that we are the center of the universe.

Which pretty much aligns with Scripture. GOD may exist in many dimensions, while we know of only two, HIS and ours. In a Judea Christian understanding we exist from HIM, and thus from our perspective we understand things from our reality.

From GOD's reality, since HE created everything for us to live in, we are the center of HIS physical creation. Yet from our vantage point we see the physical universe World we live in and can only understand it by what we see.

However, if we could see it from HIS universe, we may then realize, we are the center of our universe from HIS perspective.

Here is a good article I wrote about parallel universes which even secular scientists admit possibly exists, Is There A Parallel Spiritual World?.

70 posted on 09/15/2022 3:01:09 PM PDT by OneVike (Just another Christian waiting to go home)
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To: TexasGator
From earth, everything is expanding away from us.

Haven't we been told that the closest galaxy will collide with us in 4 billion or so years?

71 posted on 09/15/2022 3:01:14 PM PDT by aimhigh (THIS is His commandment . . . . 1 John 3:23)
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To: Reily

“Yes, they are.”

No. Theories are developed, not proposed.


Below is a generalized sequence of steps taken to establish a scientific theory:

Choose and define the natural phenomenon that you want to figure out and explain.

Collect information (data) about this phenomena by going where the phenomena occur and making observations. Or, try to replicate this phenomena by means of a test (experiment) under controlled conditions (usually in a laboratory) that eliminates interference’s from environmental conditions.
After collecting a lot of data, look for patterns in the data.

Attempt to explain these patterns by making a provisional explanation, called a hypothesis.

Test the hypothesis by collecting more data to see if the hypothesis continues to show the assumed pattern. If the data does not support the hypothesis, it must be changed, or rejected in favor of a better one. In collecting data, one must NOT ignore data that contradicts the hypothesis in favor of only supportive data. (That is called “cherry-picking” and is commonly used by pseudo-scientists attempting to scam people unfamiliar with the scientific method. A good example of this fraud is shown by the so-called “creationists,” who start out with a pre-conceived conclusion - a geologically young, 6,000 year old earth, and then cherry-pick only evidence that supports their views, while ignoring or rejecting overwhelming evidence of a much older earth.)

If a refined hypothesis survives all attacks on it and is the best existing explanation for a particular phenomenon, it is then elevated to the status of a theory.

A theory is subject to modification and even rejection if there is overwhelming evidence that disproves it and/or supports another, better theory. Therefore, a theory is not an eternal or perpetual truth.


72 posted on 09/15/2022 3:02:51 PM PDT by TexasGator ( Gator in Florids)
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To: TexasGator
OK, I should have said galaxies, or solar systems.

Although parallel universes do exist, even secular scientists admit there is a good possibility. I wrote about it once. Yet no telescope is going to ever detect them.

Here is a good article I wrote about parallel universes which even secular scientists admit possibly exists, Is There A Parallel Spiritual World?.

73 posted on 09/15/2022 3:05:49 PM PDT by OneVike (Just another Christian waiting to go home)
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To: TexasGator

Yes yes I know all that.

What happens when the experiments to confirm the hypothesis can’t be performed?

BBT has had a run, future data will modify it or subsume it or return to validate it. Only time will tell.


74 posted on 09/15/2022 3:10:04 PM PDT by Reily
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To: TexasGator

You posted a baseless rant because you are confused about how the world works.


And apparently scientists are too. 🤣


75 posted on 09/15/2022 3:16:51 PM PDT by cuban leaf (My prediction: Harris is Spiro Agnew. We'll soon see who becomes Gerald Ford, and our next prez.)
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To: TexasGator

“My theory is a lot simpler and can never be disproven - God created the universe.”

Conjecture. To become a theory you first have to develop a testable hypothesis.

The required test must be observable capable of proving the hypothesis wrong.
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Space, time and all the matter in the universe cannot bring meaning to life. Only the irrational knowledge of faith can do that. Tolstoy

Faith is the evidence of things not seen, the substance of things hoped for. What is seen is temporary, what is not seen is eternal. The Bible


76 posted on 09/15/2022 3:22:19 PM PDT by thepoodlebites (and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.)
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To: aimhigh

“Haven’t we been told that the closest galaxy will collide with us in 4 billion or so years?”

I don’t remember the best number but yes, galaxies have collided and more will collide. I was posting in context but didn’t explain in detail.

Gravity attracts nearby objects and can override the expansion effect. When we look at objects far away not affected by our gravity every thing is moving away from us.


77 posted on 09/15/2022 3:24:18 PM PDT by TexasGator ( Gator in Florids)
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To: OneVike

The Big Bang fit the evidence for a long time. Now new evidence is coming in and people are having to rethink the Big Bang. Ideas have a certain momentum to them and people have difficulty letting them go when they have been held for a long time.

Scientists are people with their flaws. My biggest objection is when the science was fraudulent from the get-go and people are so vested in the fraud they actively suppress the truth, i.g. Global Warming.


78 posted on 09/15/2022 3:25:02 PM PDT by Flying Circus (God help us )
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To: OneVike
Not sure what the "it" in your reply means--the TV show? the James Webb telescope? Planet X?

Have never watched "The Big Bang Theory" so they could be propping up the FBI or not and I wouldn't be the wiser.

79 posted on 09/15/2022 3:26:16 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: Flying Circus
Once upon a time the Ptolemaic model of the solar system fit the evidence--or at least the evidence could be made to fit the theory.

As a famous American once said, "facts are stupid things."

80 posted on 09/15/2022 3:28:41 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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