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JAMES WEBB SPACE TELESCOPE SHOWS BIG BANG DIDN’T HAPPEN? WAIT…
Mind Matters News ^ | 8/13/22 | Rob Webb

Posted on 09/15/2022 12:56:44 PM PDT by OneVike

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To: RFEngineer
A theory was posited ... new data comes along indicating that we need a new theory to explain the new data.

Sounds familiar ... About 100-150 years ago, we (physicists) had another problem with electromagnetism and blackbody radiation. And we had men like Max Planck to help sort it all out.

People whose education in the natural sciences ended in 8th grade don't know about that ... and they feel like this is something new. That's stupid. Scientists live for this stuff ... it's an opportunity to be on the bleeding edge of developing new and better theories of physics. Exciting times indeed!

41 posted on 09/15/2022 2:02:33 PM PDT by NorthMountain (... the right of the peopIe to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed)
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To: OneVike

Ahhhhh, the onion of real scientific truth unfolds some more, leaving more questions than anyone knew to even ask before, and shattering how complete older ideas were.

“Scientists” need to take a massive amount of humble pie, in every scientific discipline, and admit what is theorectical is not proof, just a theory, and should not be taken as proof, and then welcome all challanges.


42 posted on 09/15/2022 2:02:34 PM PDT by Wuli (uires )
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To: OneVike

They should have seriously started rethinking the Big Bang when they had to kludge ‘inflation’ into it. My first thought years ago when I heard of ‘inflation’ was to imagine it as a magician waving his hands in the air to distract the audience.

I think it’s past time to admit that the standard cosmological theory doesn’t actually work at any scale, and start over.


43 posted on 09/15/2022 2:03:08 PM PDT by zeugma (Stop deluding yourself that America is still a free country.)
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To: NorthMountain

This and many articles out there prove they are looking to prove their point, not looking to see where the evidence takes them.


44 posted on 09/15/2022 2:06:15 PM PDT by OneVike (Just another Christian waiting to go home)
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To: OneVike

“Experiments have failed to prove evidence of cosmic inflation.” False. In other news, Edwin Hubble discovered at Mt. Wilson Observatory in Los Angeles in 1929 that everywhere you look everything is rapidly moving away from each other by using the red shift. And yes, the pictures from the new Hubble telescope are wonderful.


45 posted on 09/15/2022 2:08:55 PM PDT by Falconspeed ("Keep your fears to yourself, but share your courage with others." Robert Louis Stevenson.)
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To: TexasGator

No, I posted what I think. It is not baseless, because in my short rant I used global warming as a typical example of those who want everyone else to believe what they believe so they can take complete control of our lives.


46 posted on 09/15/2022 2:09:07 PM PDT by OneVike (Just another Christian waiting to go home)
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To: OneVike
< sigh >

Science popularizers rarely explain science correctly. Even the ones I respect.

But you're going to believe what you want to believe, facts be damned.

47 posted on 09/15/2022 2:09:48 PM PDT by NorthMountain (... the right of the peopIe to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed)
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To: OneVike

I knew the big bang theory was bullshit the first time I heard that Galaxies are colliding out there in the cosmos. it may have takin millions of years but if there was a big bang then they all should be going the same way and all the same distance from the bang. Like an ever expanding bubble.


48 posted on 09/15/2022 2:10:40 PM PDT by sit-rep ( )
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To: RFEngineer
I don’t think anyone needs to apologize for a theory that is now being cast in doubt.

I disagree. I figure they've been propping up a dead line of thought, and sprinking fairy dust on it (inflation, dark matter, dark energy, and more), that I figure that apologies are warranted.

49 posted on 09/15/2022 2:11:34 PM PDT by zeugma (Stop deluding yourself that America is still a free country.)
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To: TexasGator

I have 2 Science degrees, 30+ post MS hours in AI, and a patent in Artificial Intelligence.

I think I made it past the 8th grade science the idiots here are blabbing about.


50 posted on 09/15/2022 2:11:58 PM PDT by BereanBrain
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To: laconic

you would have to believe in God to buy that one man...


51 posted on 09/15/2022 2:13:10 PM PDT by sit-rep ( )
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To: Dave Wright
As explained elsewhere, their understanding of the inflation was drastically overstated, because they expected to find young universes, and what they found was universes looking like our universe and all the others they found, Different types, different shapes but all pretty much the same age. There are no new universes found that are in the embryonic stage which inflation is supposed to prove. None new, so the inflation is non existent.
52 posted on 09/15/2022 2:13:47 PM PDT by OneVike (Just another Christian waiting to go home)
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To: RFEngineer

The fuss is about a certain, currently irreducible, fraction or cohort of people among us who are die-hard atheists.

The Big Bang theory, for them, has always been a great comfort, relieving them, however temporarily, of the responsibility of having to admit that they are wrong in thinking that there is not and has never been an all-powerful God the Father.

Take away the Big Bang theory and a whole lot of very, very smart but very, very intellectually darkened (and thus, spiritually vulnerable) people will have to contend, simultaneously, with an immense case of cognitive dissonance.

And that’s what we’re beginning to see, Charlie Brown.


53 posted on 09/15/2022 2:18:16 PM PDT by one guy in new jersey
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Have they ever figured out where this supposed “big bang” began? Shouldn’t we know where the center of the universe is by simply working backwards from where the universe has expanded to by now?
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The problem is that as far away as we can see objects are receding at speeds approaching the speed of light.

1. We don’t know if there are more distant objects receding faster than the speed of light, and

2. Relativistically speaking, all observers in such a universe would observe exactly what we are observing ....all objects receding up to the speed of light. Therefore all points in the universe are the center of the universe.

...the universe as a singularity.

I think this concept can be attributed to John Wheeler at the University of Texas.


54 posted on 09/15/2022 2:19:19 PM PDT by nagant
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To: TexasGator

“There is no center of the universe.”

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As a matter of fact it’s all centrific.


55 posted on 09/15/2022 2:27:47 PM PDT by one guy in new jersey
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To: gop4lyf

From earth, everything is expanding away from us.

If we travel tons far star we would see everything expanding from that view.


56 posted on 09/15/2022 2:36:06 PM PDT by TexasGator ( Gator in Florids)
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To: one guy in new jersey

Actually, you have it backwards in spite of what Hawkings has said about God the BBT posits a beginning just like Genesis is a beginning. It says nothing about who or why. Anyway, that’s not science’s job to answer those things. It replaced the Steady State Theory (SST) which doesn’t require a ‘creation’. Which makes it much more an ‘atheist’ theory. It’s infinite in both negative time and positive time. SST does posit a lot of little ‘creations’, matter popping out of ‘nothing’ - the quantum fluctuations to replace matter burned up by stars.

Anyway, theories are proposed, they work for a while maybe a long while then new data comes modifies the theory or eventually completely subsumes into a new theory. That’s science. If it’s carved in concrete can’t be changed that’s dogma. There’s a difference.


57 posted on 09/15/2022 2:40:17 PM PDT by Reily
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To: OneVike
Is Ron Webb any relation to James Webb?

If they can prove that the Big Bang never happened, will they have to rename that TV show?

58 posted on 09/15/2022 2:40:27 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: nagant

“The problem is that as far away as we can see objects are receding at speeds approaching the speed of light.”

We can see objects are receding at speeds exceeding the speed of light.


59 posted on 09/15/2022 2:44:41 PM PDT by TexasGator ( Gator in Florids)
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To: TexasGator
So from earth we can look out in one direction and see things that are 14 billion years old. Well if we look in the opposite direction will we see things that are also 14 billion years old.

So does that tell the universe is at least 28 billion years old, give or take a year.

60 posted on 09/15/2022 2:44:50 PM PDT by Licensed-To-Carry (John 14:6 )
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