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Private jet with prominent German businessman and 3 others on board crashes into Baltic Sea with "no explanation at all"
cbs ^ | SEPTEMBER 5, 2022

Posted on 09/05/2022 3:04:07 PM PDT by BenLurkin

Karl-Peter Griesemann, a prominent German businessman, was aboard the plane with three others, a spokesperson for Quick Air, an air charter company based in Cologne, told Reuters. Local newspaper Express reported that Griesemann was the pilot and that he was with his wife, daughter and his daughter's boyfriend.

The jet "was flying between Spain and Cologne but when it changed course, air traffic controllers were not able to make contact," the Latvian civil aviation agency said...

Fighter jets from Germany, Denmark and Sweden were scrambled to try to make contact with the crew in the air as the Austrian-registered plane continued to fly across northern Europe, "but they saw no one," Swedish search and rescue operation leader Lars Antonsson told AFP.

The plane, a Cessna 551, flew over Swedish airspace in the Baltic Sea before crashing into the sea off Ventspils just before 8:00 p.m. (1800 GMT).

The plane flew relatively steadily until it neared the Latvian coast, when it rapidly lost altitude.

(Excerpt) Read more at cbsnews.com ...


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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Or JFK Junior’d.


21 posted on 09/05/2022 3:18:42 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: PLMerite

There was a golf pro a few years back that met a similar fate. The jet kept going, by the time it crashed, they were basically ice cubes. Not much left. Payne Stewart,?


22 posted on 09/05/2022 3:25:11 PM PDT by waterhill (Resist)
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To: BenLurkin

“Karl-Peter Griesemann, a prominent German businessman... Griesemann was the pilot and that he was with his wife, daughter and his daughter’s boyfriend.”

German elite who is a pilot flying jet back from Spain family vacation? Maybe next time he’ll be a little more carbon-friendly and take the train.


23 posted on 09/05/2022 3:25:41 PM PDT by mikey_hates_everything
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To: packagingguy

Useful conciseness at that altitude is about 30 seconds (seconds, not minutes) without oxygen. By the time anyone realized there was a problem they were already hypoxic and headed for lala land.


24 posted on 09/05/2022 3:33:13 PM PDT by wrench
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To: motor_racer

My first thought as well.


25 posted on 09/05/2022 3:33:45 PM PDT by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion, or satire, or both.)
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To: PLMerite

That was the case w/ the Payne Stewart crash if I recall correctly.


26 posted on 09/05/2022 3:36:02 PM PDT by FLNittany (Autotune is jealous of Karen Carpenter)
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To: BenLurkin

Calm conditions (47F) and 5mph wind.


27 posted on 09/05/2022 3:36:31 PM PDT by struggle
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To: PLMerite

Yup. My 1st thought.


28 posted on 09/05/2022 3:37:34 PM PDT by Semper Vigilantis (A Republic - if you can keep it.)
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To: wrench

Yes I noticed business jets fly higher than airliners, so the air would be very thin.


29 posted on 09/05/2022 3:39:31 PM PDT by packagingguy
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To: PLMerite
Sounds like the plane might have depressurized.

Sure does. Jets flew along side and saw no movement, then it finally ran out of gas.

30 posted on 09/05/2022 3:39:31 PM PDT by JPG (MAGA)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Payne Stewart

That was sad, but not as sad as the pieces of the last shuttle falling down over east TX.

Apparently, PS and Co. Were dead long before they hit the ground. They were ice cubes. It was weird watching that plane.


31 posted on 09/05/2022 3:46:02 PM PDT by waterhill (Resist)
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To: lee martell

Center fuel tank?


32 posted on 09/05/2022 3:51:56 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: JPG

With Stewart, they reported that the windows frosted over indicating depressurization. No such report here.


33 posted on 09/05/2022 3:53:23 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: BenLurkin

“””The jet “was flying between Spain and Cologne but when it changed course, air traffic controllers were not able to make contact,””””


Seems to look like a suicide by private plane. If so, too bad he took others with him.

We all remember the stories from the 1929 crash when men committed suicide as their company collapsted.

This is beginning to look like a repeat.


34 posted on 09/05/2022 3:58:27 PM PDT by Presbyterian Reporter
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To: PLMerite

Analysis of the flight path showed the plane making normal course corrections while at 36,000 feet until just before ATC was unable to contact them further.

The altitude and course remained in a straight line from then on indicating the autopilot was controlling the aircraft until it disengaged when the fuel ran out and it couldn’t maintain altitude.

At 36,000 feet a pilot has about 30 seconds to react to a depressurization emergency and put on the secondary mask. This is a frequent part of commercial airline training but may not have been well practiced by the private pilot. He also may not have done the full checklist before takeoff that makes sure the secondary system oxygen tank was full.

In any event it appears to be very similar to the Paine Stewart Lear Jet crash that was due to depressurization at altitude.


35 posted on 09/05/2022 4:02:10 PM PDT by Dave Wright
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To: BenLurkin

Hypoxia.


36 posted on 09/05/2022 4:08:37 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped)
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To: BenLurkin

Wonder if climate activists radicals have upped their sabotage agenda. Private jets are a bigger target than SUVs.


37 posted on 09/05/2022 4:40:01 PM PDT by allendale
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To: BenLurkin
Karl-Peter Griesemann, a prominent German businessman, was aboard the plane with three others, a spokesperson for Quick Air, an air charter company based in Cologne, told Reuters. Local newspaper Express reported that Griesemann was the pilot and that he was with his wife, daughter and his daughter's boyfriend.


38 posted on 09/05/2022 4:44:14 PM PDT by bagster ("Even bad men love their mamas".)
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To: PLMerite

This is how PGA star Payne Stewart died; his plane took off from Florida, somehow became depressurized, the people on board passed out and perished, and the plane continued on until it ran out of fuel and crashed in South Dakota.


39 posted on 09/05/2022 5:16:51 PM PDT by nd76
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To: nd76

I remember that….horrifying.

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40 posted on 09/05/2022 5:18:17 PM PDT by Mears
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