Posted on 08/31/2022 11:03:14 AM PDT by ransomnote
Warriorposter wrote: “If kirsch were right even 25% of the time there would be hundreds of thousands of people dropping in the street. I don’t recall hearing about that happening, do you? Kirsch has no credibility whatsoever since none of his nonsense is ever verified by impartial sources. Or as one FReeper recently wrote “ kirsch is a crackpot”.”
https://www.mcgill.ca/oss/article/critical-thinking/steve-kirsch-and-seduction-simplicity
The anti-vaxxers love Kirsch because he says things they agree with.
Warriorposter to DugwayDuke: “If kirsch were right even 25% of the time there would be hundreds of thousands of people dropping in the street. I don’t recall hearing about that happening, do you?”
Warriorposter to DugwayDuke: “Kirsch has no credibility whatsoever since none of his nonsense is ever verified by impartial sources. Or as one FReeper recently wrote “ kirsch is a crackpot”.
“As Kirsch has gone deeper into the anti-vaccine scene, many professional associates have increasingly distanced themselves from him. In May, all 12 members of CETF’s scientific advisory board resigned, citing his alarming dangerous claims and erratic behavior. Over the summer, the conflict reached his most recent startup, M10. Its board told him that if he wanted to remain part of the company he would have to stop making public anti-vaccine statements. In September, he resigned as CEO and gave up his board seat.”
His own board kicked him out of the company he started yet he’s considered a credible authority in the anti-vaxxer community.
No, not scrubbed, but it looks like they only started crawling the “Memoriam” page in 2019. The “black thingies” only go back that far:
https://web.archive.org/web/20220000000000*/https://www.cma.ca/memoriam
Here is the web archive capture for Dec. 18, 2019:
https://web.archive.org/web/20191218092718/https://www.cma.ca/memoriam
The trouble is, you can’t get the entire year via the archive. This capture only gives deaths through part of November.
The dropdown menu shows years going back to 2016, but then you get a message that the url wasn’t archived. So, either they intended to add deaths going back to 2016, but never got around to it, or they changed the name of the page and url in 2019. I would guess the latter.
I wonder how reliable this is as a source, anyway. How can we be sure they include all physician deaths? How are the Memoriam notices gathered?
I used to Depopulate Aircraft and it meant,
‘Strip it Clean.’
.
Relatives’ didn’t Care.
Cleaning up idiots one at a time.
LOL!
What that really means is a lack of discernment. Rightly or wrongly facts can come from a variety of sources, some of which we may not agree with on philosophical or other reasons.
Am example? Noam Chomsky. Who would have ever thought that so many FReepers would finally adopt the position of Chomsky that we should not be in Afghanistan? Chomsky is a far-left ideologue, but on this issue - his end-result preference was adopted by many on the right, and on that issue he was right.
LOL - “Hey everybody, Dr Kirsch is discredited in his ‘vaccine’ warnings because some ‘vaccine’ apologist publications said so.”
What in the world would you expect such publications to say? You think a magazine like “Leftwing Democrat Weekly” is going to publish an article saying “Hey, it turns out Donald Trump really is a nice guy”?
One died after a year-long battle with lung cancer. Another was diagnosed with an aggressive form of stomach cancer last August. One died after an undisclosed illness.
fr_freak wrote: “LOL - “Hey everybody, Dr Kirsch is discredited in his ‘vaccine’ warnings because some ‘vaccine’ apologist publications said so.””
‘Dr Kirsch’ is no doctor. Kirsch received a Bachelor of Science and a Master of Science in electrical engineering and computer science from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology in 1980. So he’s an electrical engineer not a medical doctor.
fr_freak wrote: “LOL - “What in the world would you expect such publications to say? You think a magazine like “Leftwing Democrat Weekly” is going to publish an article saying “Hey, it turns out Donald Trump really is a nice guy”?”
IOW, all the articles posted from anti-vaxxer publications are also suspect such as Kirsch’s VSRF.
“In October 2021, Kirsch founded the anti-vaccine group Vaccine Safety Research Foundation (VSRF), which created ads depicting deaths the group attributed to vaccines.”.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Kirsch#cite_note-:1-15
There are more similar anti-vaxxer publications:
“Blandly-named pseudo-medical organizations are promoting bad science, discredited drugs, and creating an industry of COVID denial.”
Thanks!
“Sample size is irrelevant here. What matters is what killed them.”
But the conclusion that something unusual is going on at all is based on the calculation of an unusual increase in the death rate, and that calculation is invalid because it’s done with improper methodology.
Now if you want to go and find the autopsy reports and find out what killed them, they you have a different route to say something unusual is going on, but that’s not the route Kirsch is trying to take.
You’ve got a long-winded way of trying to say someone like Kirsh isn’t credible, but then you use non-credible sources like Wikipedia and Vice to prove it. Oh, the irony.
I don’t know how many dead Canadian doctors there really are, but what I do know is that, once upon a time, when there was any significant pattern of death and/or injury from a drug or vaccine, we used to discontinue that drug or vaccine until things were sorted out. Now we’ve got people, such as yourself, who won’t even refrain from calling it “safe and effective”.
“It’s not just based on an unusual increase in the death rate. It’s based on the unusual increase in death rate among people in a category which should have a much lower death rate.”
We don’t know that they should have a much lower death rate, though, because we don’t have the data to know what their usual death rate is. We don’t even have the data to support Kirsch’s calculation of their current death rate to make a comparison to the calculation of the average death rate (which we don’t have). It’s just bad statistics and bad logic all around.
fr_freak wrote: “You’ve got a long-winded way of trying to say someone like Kirsh isn’t credible, but then you use non-credible sources like Wikipedia and Vice to prove it. Oh, the irony.”
You only think those sources aren’t credible because they point out how much misinformation Kirsch puts out. BTW, it’s a matter of public record that his board of directors kicked him out for his misinformation.
fr_freak wrote: “I don’t know how many dead Canadian doctors there really are, but what I do know is that, once upon a time, when there was any significant pattern of death and/or injury from a drug or vaccine, we used to discontinue that drug or vaccine until things were sorted out. Now we’ve got people, such as yourself, who won’t even refrain from calling it “safe and effective”.”
No one has demonstrated that these are not safe and effective. Instead, the anti-vaxxers make up things like those dead doctors who died from cancer and try to blame it on the vaccines. My gosh, there are many threads here on free republic reporting the death of someone and the second or third post in that thread tries to accuse the vaccines of being the cause.
“You’re saying we don’t have the data to know what the usual death rate is for people who are 20,30,40,50,60 years old?”
Are all doctors in Canada one of those ages? No, they come in all sorts of ages just like people of other professions.
What we have is a death statistic for ONE single year for ONE specific group of people, doctors in Canada. We do not know if that statistic is representative of the average rate of deaths for that group, or higher than average, or lower than average. Thus it is a virtually useless statistic for making a comparison to try to determine anything about the current year’s rate compared to the AVERAGE rate, since we have no average rate at all.
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