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Posted on 08/18/2022 5:19:30 AM PDT by UMCRevMom@aol.com
It is in fact partially damaged. There are a lot of lines.
The plant also supplies about 25% of the Ukrainian grid, so I read. Shut it down and it’s a big deal on both sides.
It seems like Ze doesn’t care anymore, or hopes that Putin is going to blink and give it back. Of course it is not going to happen.
“Shutting a power plant of this size down to a safe condition just has to be a big f’n deal to accomplish.”
Not really. You push the control rods home and the chain reaction stops. So long as the cooling pumps work you can get rid of the excess heat from short life isotopes in the core. Quite simple actually.
It should be noted that the reactor meltdowns in Japan were a result of the failure of cooling water for the reactor due to loss of power to the cooling pumps.
One big diesel engine connected to pumps would have prevented the meltdown. The meltdown occurred due to inferior safety design. They had no mechanical backup system for cooling in an area known for Tsunami. The real irony is the cost of such a system is cheap.
—> One big diesel engine connected to pumps would have prevented the meltdown.
Diesel! Shouldn’t they use Solar and wind energy to meet Soros’ plan for an Open Society?
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Ukraine says Russia plans to disconnect nuclear plant’s power blocks from grid
Ukraine also said that Ghost of Kiev is a real person.
There is no tank on video. I’ve seen light infantry and BTR on premises, pretty consistent with the idea of the small garrison defending the station from sabotage.
Pretty large gamble you advocate for. One errant shell in the switchyard and the point is moot. It doesn’t really bother me though, Germany might mind.
For anyone who have brains it is clear that Ukraine is shelling the plant. Just the evolution of their propaganda says so. There is an assessment of possible damage by the Russian military, and they expect most of the fallout in the Eastern and Central Europe.
If the Europeans are unable to restrain their clients then it is their problem. Let them embrace the such.
The turret is clearly visible for about .25 seconds. Try watching the clip fullscreen from 15 to 18 seconds. Even easier to see if you pause playback and then go through it by skipping left and right.
There’s no value in playing the “I see no ships” trick of putting your telescope up to the Z branded eyepatch on this occasion. I’m visually impaired and yet and I can see it clearly. To be fair, it could be a turret from something that’s not a tank, but I don’t think it looks like a T shirt cannon.
Ah. So Ukraine is going to scatter fallout all over Northwest Ukraine, its neighbors and thrir refugee camps, all the way up to the Baltic, for a false flag.
I don’t suppose it’s occurred to you that if Russia has made the exact same estimate, they’d already know their enemies would get 90% of the nuke fallout (10% for Belarus) while Z held territory wouldn’t be touched at all?
Strategically and tactically, the accident would benefit Russia and harm Russia’s enemies. Ukraine wouldn’t benefit IN ANY WAY.
So why do you think a Uke false flag is plausible and a Russian false flag isn’t?!
There were videos on the Sun website, showing light infantry and BTR. Nothing on your video contradicts it.
To spin it as if it is a force using the station for shield to shell the Uke positions is preposterous.
A Nazi regime with the cokehead in charge is going to do everything. Especially after Blinken told them that Putin is going to be responsible regardless.
You’re beyond unhinged if you think Ukraine is going to send a nuclear cloud over its largely unharmed cities, its reinforcements, its resupplies and its regional allies just so it can throw out another whinge at the United Nations from an irradiated wasteland.
The only country that would benefit from a nuclear accident at Zaporozhia is Russia... The incident would neutralise Ukrainian attempts to liberate even ONE of the southern onlasts.
If Ukraine wanted to make a dignified surrender there’d be far less suicidal ways to do it.
I agree. I knew it was the Ukes from the first report.
There were plenty of awful false flags by the Ukrainian side, some specifically to draw others into conflict, like Zagreb attack by the converted IG drone. There was a particularly bloody Kramatorsk railway station bombing. Both attacks couldn’t have been made by anyone but Ukraine.
Regarding the power plant, why should the Russians do it?
You are simply ignoring the evolution of Ukrainian propaganda.
The plant has been under Russian control since March.
The shelling started in July supported by stories that the Russians are using the station to store ammunition and use it as an artillery base.
That allegedly made it a legit target.
Then someone realized that the story stinks and it evolved into that the station “manned by the Ukrainian workers” is shelled by the Russians.
Now it is the Russians who are planning to bomb it from inside.
Who are you trying to fool?
(facepalm) What makes you think there has to be a WHY? The WHAT and the HOW are vastly more relevant questions. When it comes to nuclear accidents, no matter what cause or what effect, they loosely boil down to one of three general scenarios.
- intentional trigger (deliberately doing "something"),
- unintentional (making "something" happen by accident.)
- cascade (a chain of events results in "something")
The professional Ukrainian civilian support staff at all the nuclear plants in Ukraine know what they're doing, and why. They know what the failure modes and effects are. They've studied failure.
The Russian soldiers who occupy the plants probably don't even know there was an accident at Chernobyl.
That's the main reason why the Russian commanders keep the civilian support staff around. It's also why the grunts following the orders have no idea how important that monitoring job is.
One of the lead safety engineers at Zaporizhzhia worked at Chernobyl for years during the cleanup. So when the Russians went into Chernobyl, screwed around with the safety systems, and started digging trenches in lethally irradiated areas with warning signs in Russian all around the area, the civilians in the atomic energy industry were understandably aghast. It's completely incomprehensible. There is no professional armed force, anywhere in the developed world, that has absolutely no idea what a nuclear accident is. Any Western modern armed force that stepped foot into a nuclear power plant would ruddy know, you don't screw around with nuclear. They'd also know why.
But actually, when it comes to Russia, this isn't even unexepected. It's just how their military minds and chains of command work in the context of them being literally not allowed to think for themselves without a political angle steering their actions.
Most of the grunts in the Russian army have absolutely no idea what really happened at Chernobyl in the 80s, or what happened to the Kursk, or what happened when a village got decimated by an anthrax leak from a Russian biolab. Because the political interference and corruption in the command structures absolutely won't allow those things to be dissected. Russia has FIFTY YEARS of "previous" and not only does it ensure political ambition overrides competence, it also ensures ground forces are naturally incurious if not oblivious, and blindly follow orders.
THAT is why Russia has stationed troops stationed at the NPPs who don't even know what radioactivity is and probably wouldn't even protest if they WERE asked to blow it up.
Given how the last few weeks have given us multiple examples of unforced errors resulting in big explosions in Russian ammo dumps without any assistance from the Ukes, having even a small ammo dump at a nuclear power plant presents quite a large number of plausible "accident" and "cascade" scenarios even if you buy the idea that the Russians aren't QUITE tonto enough to do it deliberately.
Out of interest, do you know how many times a nuclear first strike by Russia has been averted by very brave people at or near the very bottom of the chain of command exercising sound judgement DESPITE getting explict orders from high-ups and political officers? That was only possible because Russia actually did put professional, intelligent, trained people in those positions. These days, Russia just throws an amnesty bribe at some guy who's serving a life sentence to follow orders and not ask questions.
"You are simply ignoring the evolution of Ukrainian propaganda."
No, there clearly is propaganda on both sides. I'm talking about measurable risks, and empirical facts. It is an empirical fact of life that cock-ups are easier to commit than conspiracy. It is also an empirical fact that Russians in highly risky locations like biolabs and nuclear power plants have done INCREDIBLY dangerous things throughout history, simply because, in Russia, expertise and safety just aren't as important to Russia as political compliance.
"The shelling started in July supported by stories that the Russians are using the station to store ammunition and use it as an artillery base."
Yes. Ukraine shelled the town AROUND the plant, and targeted artillery OUTSIDE the buildings. It's not quite the same as making the buildings themselves a military target - and the Geneva Convention says the onus is on the OCCUPANTS of the buildings not to use them as military launchpads in the first place.
https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2022/08/11/world/ukraine-russia-nuclear-plant-rockets/
Remember when FR had the conversations about whether or not the Russians were being reckless when they were firing rockets at Chernobyl? While it's ostensibly a reckless thing to do, and never a good look, it wasn't ACTUALLY that dangerous (unless they hit control centers). The far more risky things Russia did were digging trenches and working the safety monitors to the point of exhaustion while tampering with the power to the cooling system.
For the same reasons, Ukraine shooting at targets in Energodar and AROUND the NPP reactor buildings is reckless, but at least they're not storing munitions inside the engine rooms, messing with the civilian safety crews, and messing with the cooling system. If they were doing that, that'd be REALLY dangerous.
It's the Russians who're doing that.
Now it is the Russians who are planning to bomb it from inside.
That's a very lame caricature. Do you understand the difference between cock-up and conspiracy, or are you Russian?
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