Posted on 08/05/2022 2:11:04 PM PDT by nickcarraway
Why Phil Collins didn't like Pink Floyd Thomas Leatham THU 4TH AUG 2022 13.30 BST
We mostly know Phil Collins for his remarkable solo career that spawned the 1980s hits, ‘In the Air Tonight, ‘Another Day in Paradise’ and the collaborative effort ‘Easy Lover’ with Earth, Wind & Fire’s Philip Bailey.
Yet, Collins is also known for his time in the prog-rock pioneers Genesis, whom he joined in 1970. When singer Peter Gabriel left the group in 1975, Collins took on singing duties, even though he continued to be their drummer. Gabriel had become disillusioned with the music industry and wanted to spend more time with his family.
Collins once opened up on his tastes – and distastes – for other prog-rock bands: “I was a big early Yes fan, less so. Even though I like the guys in the band, I didn’t relate to a lot of their music after the first two or three albums. Jethro Tull musically. Floyd, I was never a big Floyd fan.”
“I probably become more of a Floyd fan in later years than I was at the time, even though I saw them at the Marquee with Arnold Layne,” Collins added. “I was aware of what they were doing. But I never was really a fan. I was in a band that was kind of being always put in the same box as that lot. But never felt that we actually were in the same box. But we probably were.”
Genesis began to slightly lean towards a more pop-orientated sound with Collins on vocals, and the live shows became less theatrical with the charismatic Gabriel out of the picture. Many of the band’s previous albums had been inspired by fantasy, but from 1975 onwards, they wanted to move away from such inspirations.
Elsewhere, Collins also revealed his distaste for another English prog-rock powerhouse, Emerson, Lake & Palmer. He said, “I don’t like ELP. I don’t like the way they are as people. Emerson’s alright. I don’t like Carl Palmer’s drumming; I don’t like the music. It’s much too neurotic. And it’s too on one level.”
He added, “To be fair, I haven’t listened to that much ELP. But what I’ve heard, and I’ve seen backstage, I just don’t like them. I would never doubt the fact that they’re excellent musicians. I don’t like the kind of things [they] did. But the sound on the record is a fine sound. And of the three of them, I like Emerson, mainly because he used to say nice things about us.”
LOL, now when I see Loverboy, I just think of South Park. “A Pig and an Elephant DNA Won’t Splice”
Why the hell would anyone do that?
But their debut album through Brain Salad Surgery was all pretty good stuff.
Just saw Roger Waters in Cincinnati. Stunning show, musicianship, and his interaction with the audience was seemed genuine. The production was one of the best I’ve seen. He played some of his solo music but mostly Floyd starting at Dark Side and ended with a Dylan song.
You were warned it would be politcal and go to the bar if you don’t want to hear it, but it was over two hours of visual propaganda against everthing I know to be true. The vitriol was for every Ameican President starting with Eisenhower but over the top on Reagan, Trump, the Police and the Supreme Court. It was seething anger and rage. Clinton was the only one omitted.
I’d say the 18,000 seat arena was 3/4 full and almost all agreed with his politics. It startled me.
If I had a dollar for everytime the F-bomb was displayed or spoken, I could fund FR for a year, easily. Odd thing is if capitalism is so bad, why did the cheapest T-shirt start at 50.00 dollars and Hoodies 100?
BTW, my tickets were free from my station. So FU Roger.
Love Beach is the ultimate musical WTF moment.
“The Syd Barret years...”
I often wonder what it would have been like if Syd Barret hadn’t destroyed his mind with drugs. Rick Wright once said that Syd never wanted to be a rock star, he just wanted to play interesting music and push the boundaries, Roger Waters was the one that would sell his soul for rock stardom.
Fair point. But he’s basically said he’s glad Entwistle is dead, so that isn’t too good either.
The title track to “Trilogy” is fantastic.
It was David Gilmour that basically took care of Syd, making sure he got his royalties and made sure he was taken care of.
I live Dave, I’m sure he’s as left as Waters is, but he’s much nicer about it at least.
I live Dave, s/b I like Dave
Yep. Also David Foster had alot to do with Chicago’s eighties shlock.
Phil was a great drummer and Genesis put out some great interesting stuff but they were never in the same league with the likes of ELP and PF IMO. Genesis was mostly unknown until Phil steered them towards pop.
I can understand Phil or anyone not getting into early PF which was avantgarde soundscape stuff with 360 degree sound. Some people couldn’t understand it or like it. I get that.
ELP was a high level circus act with complex classical style original songs. Genesis was almost an anti-ELP type band in that they did not view themselves as trying to impress anyone. Huge difference in approach.
So I am not surprised Phil did not appreciate ELP. Carl Palmer was a more mechanical technical drummer which may have bugged Phil.
I viewed all those bands differently since they are all have their own space.
I’d have to see the context of that statement about Ox.
I know when Keith Moon died, it actually made him reconsider disbanding the Who because he had gotten tired of playing with Moon onstage, which I kind of understand.
Old rock stars need to have some perspective. Robert Fripp is going on a spoken word tour literally called “An Evening with that Awful Man and his Manager.”. So at least he’s got a sense of humor about how he has been perceived.
Phil is a much more jazz-oriented drummer than a prog drummer, as he also played with Brand X in the 70s.
Have you seen the videos Robert and Toyah make on YouTube? They’re a hoot.
The first comment said it all...”Christ, hasn’t Africa suffered enough.”
The smart ones turn to blues — where you can look old and like crap and fit right in…
Yeah but members of the band said it was a little too much. Wakeman gave up after Topographic which is an album I love.
The great Prog albums IMHO are Tales, Trilogy, Thick as a Brick/Passion Play, Song For America and Utopia.
A friend gifted me a pair of Vandersteens and the only Prog I listen to is the Moody Blues.
I remember hearing albums for the first time, such as: Zeppelin I; Pet Sounds; God Machine, Scenes; and Genesis, Nursery Crymes. It is amazing how some musicians are brilliant and talented.
https://consequence.net/2019/11/pete-townshend-keith-moon-john-entwistle-the-who/
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