Posted on 08/01/2022 9:00:05 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp
For some time I have wondered how to explain the cause of the Civil War in simple terms that are easy to understand. I now see that Ayn Rand did it years ago. Laws passed by a Northern controlled Congress routed all the money produced by the South into Northern "elite" pockets.
It has been a while since college, a little hazy, but the Northerners had some deal whereby the Southerners had to pay some kind of tax to the Federal government and it was used by the Northern states. In fact, Lincoln mentioned it as reason not to negotiate with the Southerners. It was one of the causes of the South leaving.
Perpetual Union is in the Articles, not the Constitution.
When George Washington was inaugurated President on April 30, 1789 there were only 11 States in the Union and not the 13 under the Articles.
NC and Rhode Island were outside of the new union.
North Carolina didn’t become the 12th State until November 12, 1789. Rhode Island didn’t become the 13th State until May 29, 1790.
Lincoln ignored that history and claimed that perpetual union was part of the Constitution in order to justify using military force against seceding States.
That is the same creativity liberals take with the Constitution.
So just who invaded who?
You still don't get it. Before the Civil War, every state was sovereign with no Federal military authority over them. Fort Sumter was in South Carolina. It wasn't as if Southerners fired on a garrison in Fort Winthrop in Massachusetts Bay.
Gettysburg Pa. was over two years after the start of fighting and was made in a desperate attempt to bring the fighting into the North.
Ask yourself how many of the 10,500 battles were below the Mason-Dixon Line and how many were above it?
Southerners fought to defend against invaders.
Look up "graingers."
It seems there is never a lack of excuses to dismiss slavery from the causes of the Civil War.
Or to claim against all evidence (Corwin Amendment) that slavery was a significant factor in why there was a war.
The money numbers are real. They are in the official records, they are in several books on the subject, some even printed before the war.
Dismissing money as a cause is irrational, because money, land and power have always been the primary causes of war throughout history.
A war because people were sympathetic for slaves?
That sounds like nonsense, and has never happened ever.
An import tariff is for only imports. Can you please explain how products in the South were EVER federally taxed before the Civil War? You and others keep dancing around this historical inaccuracy.
I'll just add this: I believe that the principal of eradicating slavery trumps the principal of self-determination. Even if South Carolina had been an independent country right from the start, the north would have had the right to invade and liberate slaves by force.
Self determination begins with the individual, not with a state or nation. Virginia, and other states that seceded, did not believe that.
Research the subject and find just how much capital slaves represented in dollars.
Dismissing the Confederate leaderships statements of slavery at the root of the civil war causes is what is irrational.
see post #10 in this thread
“Laws passed by a Northern controlled Congress routed all the money produced by the South into Northern “elite” pockets.”
ALL of the money? So the South were living with zero money. Interesting theory.
We have them in NJ. Ate there a couple of times. Wasn’t bad.
They sure do pile the pancakes on.
Worth the money.
Thuggish bs.
It seems as if i'm going to have to explain a horse to you.
Horses eat. What they eat they poop out.
Europe is a horse. A tax on imports is the same thing as taxing exports. It's just a matter of taxing the horses head or the horses rear.
It's not vague at all. It simply doesn't address the subject, and the reason it does not address the subject is because everything which can possibly be said about it was said July 4, 1776 when all the states representatives signed the Declaration of Independence which articulated a God given right to independence.
You idiot. You’ve been slapped upside the head about this so many times you should be punch drunk.
Lincoln was resupplying a Federal installion, not launching an invasion of the South.
You Rebs kill me.
You started a war you couldn’t hope to win to keep a race of human beings in bondage , you got your asses kicked and over 160 years later you’re still crying and bitching.
You know something?
YOUR SIDE STILL LOST!
But the better question is hominy grits would you have?
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