Posted on 07/27/2022 4:29:57 PM PDT by McGruff
About fifteen years ago in Council Bluffs IA, a pitty castrated a four year old boy with one chomp. It was the mom’s live-in boyfriend’s friendly canine. I wonder if we could use these helpful creatures to save tax dollars for the gender reassignment surgeries.
About fifteen years ago in Council Bluffs IA, a pitty castrated a four year old boy with one chomp. It was the mom’s live-in boyfriend’s friendly canine. I wonder if we could use these helpful creatures to save tax dollars for the gender reassignment surgeries.
These dogs are acting like lions, mauling and killing. I don’t understand the people who say it’s never the dogs fault it’s always the owner. Dogs are animals with instincts. It’s bred into them to have these traits. A pitbull is a fighting dog. Other breeds have attacked their owners with bites simply because they had an attitude that day. However, they don’t usually rip the person to shreds till dead. Dogs are not robots. And no it’s not always the owner. Sometimes, it’s the animal.
The “it’s all peoples’ fault” is complete and total …you know.
If they mean because many people deliberately bred the dog type to be killers, YES.
But no, they mean and libelously ASSume someone “abused” the dog, or at least didn’t “discipline” them. Ridiculous.
The latter is totally bogus, as NO American disciplines dogs well. I mean, it’s a precious few who give a damn about anything but acting cuddly, and even fewer who do it the good old-fashioned way that actually works, and not the hippie way that PetStupid and thousands of “trainers” do now.
If it’s about discipline, most dogs would be out chasing and mauling whatever they could, because Americans have never truly respected dogs, especially now.
Anyway it’s total denial that breeds and types of dogs do NOT have personality problems built in. Behavior is as genetic as the shape of their bodies and ability to run. All dog types were bred to do something, and that is GOING to include it’s natural personality and behavior.
Exactly.
We are accused of being liberals by the PBT apologists. Yet they are exactly like defenders of certain demographics.
There is a reason so many PBT/Demographic are in jail. And it’s not because of “racism”.
It’s not all “environment” or nurture. They were MEANT to be bred for trigger-loose tenacious aggression. It is nature just as much.
There isn’t enough evidence to convince you it’s the breed so you ( like all ignorant pit bull defenders) want to investigate the owners. . Maybe we should license pit bulls and only let people who pass a strict dog training course should be allowed to own one? That’s what you have asked for. Make them illegal to own except by people who can afford the classes, license and training. And include no less than 5m bite insurance on the mutt. .
I don’t have a problem with pit bulls as a breed, but you seem to and I think you have a problem proving that pit bulls are born dangerous more than other pets.
Seems like to support your position, YOU need to show the suggested research results about their inherent nature and the qualities of the majority of owners to prove your position. Otherwise yours seems like just more ignorant reaction.
Do your own research or stay stupid. Your choice.
You’re the one with the problem and view that all pit bulls are inherently dangerous supported only by data that says that a lot of pit bulls are dangerous.
Without offering more evidence to support your extreme views, YOU are the one that holds the prize for “saying stupid”.
Lots of PBTs are dangerous. Ipso facto, we steer clear of PBTs as a general rule.
Lots of Moslems are dangerous, but not all. We steer clear.
Lots of demographic types are dangerous and lots of cities are mostly demographic. We steer clear of cities.
See a pattern?
“Owning a pit, or a Rottie for that matter should be treated as a matter of great personal responsibility. It’s never the dog, it’s the owner.”
EXACTLY!
These dogs are acting like lions, mauling and killing. I don’t understand the people who say it’s never the dogs fault it’s always the owner. Dogs are animals with instincts.
It's because humans are endowed with Reason (though we often fail to use it), and dogs are mere animals without any ability to think, plan, or do any good or evil act. They are dumb beasts, as you suggest "animals with instincts".
It’s bred into them to have these traits. A pitbull is a fighting dog.
Well, yeah. For many generations. But pitties need to be trained to fight, though some do display innate aggression to other dogs. Never seen one with innate aggression directed at humans, though this behavior can be trained.
Other breeds have attacked their owners with bites simply because they had an attitude that day.
Pits, Rotties, German Shepards, Dobies and more exotic breeds like Great Pyrenees among others are all capable of killing a human, and do. Owning these breeds imposes a particular duty of responsibility on the owner to train, and constantly reinforce proper behavior, which I will grant is beyond the abilities of many people I know. Myself, we've owned Rotties, and are not fooled by their exceptionally loving nature directed at their family; they must be trained to not display agression when strangers or other dogs are encountered, and this has to be constantly reinforced.
However, they don’t usually rip the person to shreds till dead.
This is rare for any breed. It's not a concern with a Yorkie, becaus it lacks the physical capability, not because of its temperament. But no one should take lightly the capacities of a powerful dog breed.
Dogs are not robots. And no it’s not always the owner. Sometimes, it’s the animal.
No, the dog has no moral capacity to accept culpability for its actions. Sometimes, sadly, an aggressive dog will have to be destroyed, but the failure, and any moral or legal culpability must attach to the human owner, who IS uniqe among all physical creatures of creation, morally responsible for his actions.
But perhaps I have misunderstood your point. I would agree that not everyone has the character or resources needed to responsibly own a potentially dangerous breed of dog. Maybe that's more along the lines of what you were proposing?
Good advice.
I’m just not ready to say that all pit bulls should be killed from birth on up.
Maybe pit bull owners should be given a closer look.
You tell a tale of a few good pit bulls and neglect to mention pit bulls were bred to be, very strong, have above average bite strength,are intelligent, and are abnormally aggressive to strangers and other animals
But your story is the one about the pit who saved a family, not the usual they attacked a child or an elderly.
I'll also get you think dolphins are friendly, and orcas love people too.
otoh I agree with you thinking I have a problem with pit bulls, you say it like that's a bad thing.
I also don't swim with crocodiles, try and pet bears, snakes, or the fuzzy cows in Yellowstone. Because they all aren't bad but too many of them can and would kill you.
Pit bulls have a bad reputation possibly because so many owners abuse them and turn them into mean dogs.
They’re probably more of a reflection of their owners than anything and from what I and many others have seen, they can be gentle loving dogs.
Your objection should contain evidence that pit bulls are born inherently dangerous. All your other fluff is a waste of time.
How many pits have you owned? Actual experience, like mine, counts for something. How much firearm advice would you take from someone who’s never owned a gun?
You’ve probably seen it before and roll your eyes. But there is lots of great info/resources in there.
Dogs were bred for specific traits, and that INCLUDES behavior. Don’t tell me a herding dog naturally wants to coral small animals but a pit-bull type doesn’t have any inkling of going in for the kill…by that tenacious hold. They were bred for fighting other dogs with terrier tenacity along with bulldog fearlessness (of bulls, the nastiest domestic animal you’ll ever meet).
It can be bred out, but the stats bear out that it hasn’t been.
I’d rather steer clear of such, with that evidence.
Like I said. Probably good advice.
You seem to know what you’re talking about. That Ikeon seemed like she (I’m guessing Ikeon is a woman because she seems a bit unreasonable and somewhat unaccountable) was just shooting off her mouth.
Thanks.
Of course, I’m a woman.
Well, you seem a bit more down to earth than the other gal.
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