Posted on 07/22/2022 11:35:03 AM PDT by Red Badger
Never mind Carol and Ted.
More precisely, reality doesn’t exist unless somebody observes it. This is the core of the Bishop Berkeley’s demonstration of the existence of God.
>> That is what is called a binary form of argument—”Either Alternative A or Alternative B must be true”. <<
>> There are always other alternatives. The fact that we do not know of them, in fact can’t even imagine them, is our shortcoming, not a shortcoming of nature. <<
Weeellll, not exactly. I’m not claiming that it tells us anything about the nature of God. But the infinite-universes theory is the atheist’s way of dodging the principle of first cause.
The next defense for the atheists, if they can’t assert an infinite number of parallel universes, I suppose, is to assert an infinite number of sequential universes. But that takes asserting the universe ends with a Big Crush, which is looking pretty baseless. It also means either you have to demonstrate that the physical laws and constants of these universes are somehow different from each other, or else you just have the very same highly improbably universe coming in and out of existence over and over again.
“There is no spoon...”
“God does not exist.” - Joe
“Joe does not exist.” - God....................................
“There are always other alternatives.”
How do you know that?
The Left simply denies the existence of objective reality. To them two plus two doesn’t equal four. Nor does it equal three or five. Two plus two equals whatever they say it equals. Right now. Today. Forget what they said yesterday, or last month, or last year ...
You're welcome.
A giant half truth.
Certain quirky things that appear present at the quantum level, are not things/states that any empirical evidence has shown to exist many levels up where you get to solid matter as we know it.
We do not empirically know any conscience existence at the quatum - elemental physics - level.
To infer “time” - a human measure of the transitions of physical existence, to occurances of actions at the quantum level is a scientific error, an anthropomorphization of the quantum fields of physics.
but once something is measured then the primacy of existence takes effect and objective reality is independent of and not created by emotionalism or wishful thinking (such as by lefturd loons subjectivism)
I don’t accept that. Humans measure things. I don’t recall hearing that the stars measure things. And what was there before the stars? Material that gave rise to the stars.
Reality is that which exists. To say that reality doesn’t exist is to contradict the nature of reality.
All this started from the uncertainty principle of Heisenberg, who said that one cannot assign exact simultaneous values to the position and momentum of a physical system. Then came the thought experiment of Schrödinger in which some say a “cat” is both alive and dead.
This has gone too far.
Reality is that which exists, regardless of whether it is perceived by a sentient being or not.
Here! Here!
A perspective I can agree with.
And to think, that some didn’t think I existed until I posted.... That’s different than somebody not “knowing about “ me.
Perception is not reality, reality can be perceived, but isn’t dependent on that perception.
Come on! Too much indoor time, get a sunburn!
Remember the sophomoric question, if the tree falls in the forest, and no one was there to hear it, did it make any noise?
Apparently, according to these guys, if there was no one there, there was no tree, and there was no forest.
It’s like the Ancient Greek who delighted in proving, mathematically, that you cannot outrun a turtle.
sounds like a language game. as in depends on what the meaning of is is.
or a pun
—Or who should I say has sent me—Moses.
—Tell them I am who I am has sent you—God.
Exodus 3:13-14
what about bob?
Ah, but Plato realized that there has to be a first observer, the ultimate cause. This is why John the Evangelist defined the Christ as the Logos-God, He by whom the universe was created.
King solomon made the same point in proverbs 8 only he used the word wisdom—except he says that wisdom was created and not a part of the God the creator. (This is a very testy subject. Someone should check the translations very carefully carefully.)
22 “The Lord brought me forth as the first of his works,[c][d]
before his deeds of old;
23 I was formed long ages ago,
at the very beginning, when the world came to be.
24 When there were no watery depths, I was given birth,
when there were no springs overflowing with water;
25 before the mountains were settled in place,
before the hills, I was given birth,
26 before he made the world or its fields
or any of the dust of the earth.
27 I was there when he set the heavens in place,
when he marked out the horizon on the face of the deep,
28 when he established the clouds above
and fixed securely the fountains of the deep,
29 when he gave the sea its boundary
so the waters would not overstep his command,
and when he marked out the foundations of the earth.
30 Then I was constantly[e] at his side.
I was filled with delight day after day,
rejoicing always in his presence,
31 rejoicing in his whole world
and delighting in mankind
Just like I thought. Other versions of the bible like the king james bible say:
Proverbs 8:22
King James Version
22 The Lord possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old.
possession means something very different than created.
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