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Israel in NATO? Will Israel soon lead the way in a Middle Eastern partnership with NATO?
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Posted on 06/28/2022 4:06:00 PM PDT by algore

Is it at all conceivable that Israel become a partner to NATO, the present non-relationship "upgraded" to something significant?

That is what two influential authors, Ron Asmus and Bruce Jackson, have recently argued in the journal "Policy Review," They even envision the possibility of Israel's eventual membership in NATO.

The first reaction is one of surprise. But then surprise gives way to second thoughts: why not? And under what conditions?

On the abstract level, the idea has much to recommend it. Israel is an established Western democracy, more so than any of the countries currently considered for closer relations in what used to be the Atlantic Alliance.

Israel's security is a clear Western interest. If ever the country were attacked and faced defeat, many — if not all — NATO members would come to its aid.

Moreover, as NATO is reaching out anyway to develop a closer network of relations with the countries of the "Wider Middle East," it cannot possibly bypass Israel.

The added sense of security for Israel that might grow out of the prospect of NATO membership might help its citizens to be more accommodating to the emerging Palestinian state.

Since the end of the Cold War, NATO has been used progressively less as a military solidarity pact than as a means to extend stability to more volatile parts of the world.

This has been done by including as members countries that were once under Soviet control — as well as by partnerships reaching into the Caucasus region and beyond. NATO's largest military activity today takes place in far-away Afghanistan.

In the Middle East, not only Israel, but also a democratic and stable Iraq — and even a democratic and viable Palestine — could one day become candidates.

True, strategic coherence within the Alliance — already severely under strain as it is — will weaken further with every major new extension. But that trend is already sufficiently marked today. It would not take its beginning from NATO partnerships with the Middle East.

So what would be required to turn the idea into policy? One thing above all: Israel must be determined to join.

After the collapse of the Soviet Union, countries like Poland, Hungary or the Baltic States were successful in their application to enter NATO not because the club members welcomed them with open arms. Rather, they succeeded because they ceaselessly and doggedly lobbied for it.

After all, new countries are not invited to join, they must apply. And even then, only an all-out effort to get in will overcome reservations on the part of those already inside the club.

Israel today is clearly not willing to make the commitment needed to be regarded as a serious candidate by the NATO membership. But suppose this would change and moreover that her application would be accepted in principle.

NATO governments will then proceed as they have done when a country knocked on the door of their alliance. They have set down the conditions required for membership — and asked the NATO Secretary General to make sure they are met.

These conditions are not merely that a country is democratic and pro-Western. Its joining must also not decrease NATO security.

Thus, no country involved in a conflict over its borders can qualify, nor one which occupies another. Minority rights must be safeguarded.

Hungary and the Czech Republic had to sort out their differences over borders and minorities before they qualified.

Transparency in military affairs must also be assured — so that members can judge the risks involved in the solidarity they will have to provide once the newcomer is admitted.

NATO has not been satisfied with mere assurances over these issues. It supervises implementation through the "Partnership for Peace" — and once a country's entry was considered close, through "Membership Action Plans."

Israel's internal organization and political control over defense is on par with any of the present NATO members. Yet, the country would still have to satisfy them on the other points — peace with neighbors above all.

The reason for this should be obvious. The basic commitment which members make towards each other and the fundament for NATO's military integration is to accept an attack against one as an attack against all.

NATO is a community of fate, not just a loose club. That is precisely why old members want to hold on to it — and new nations want to join it. And that is why applicants have to provide assurances which justify making the commitment they ask.

Uzi Arad, head of the Institute for Policy and Strategy and a former high Israeli intelligence official, has rightly stated that it would be obscene if the Jewish state were treated differently from other applicants. It should indeed be treated like them, no more — no less.

Yet, even to begin a serious debate over the conditions Israel would have to meet to qualify for NATO membership requires Israel itself to make this the country's top priority.

Half-hearted expressions of conditional interest and lukewarm statements about desirability are merely puffs in the wind, enough to raise the idea — but not to make it fly.


TOPICS: Conspiracy; History; Religion
KEYWORDS: erdogan; iran; iraq; irgc; israel; kurdistan; lebanon; nato; qudsforce; receptayyiperdogan; turkey; waronterror; yemen
This is from way back in the Year 2005, but with all the talk about countries joining Nato today I thought this was an interesting Retro article
1 posted on 06/28/2022 4:06:00 PM PDT by algore
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To: algore

Not with all of the Israel haters in D.C. and Europe.


2 posted on 06/28/2022 4:09:30 PM PDT by G Larry (Anybody notice that Satan is hard at work?)
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To: algore

If Israel was in NATO, then any attack on Israel would obligate NATO to go to war against the attackers.

It could easily turn into a war between the West and the whole Muslim world.

No thanks.


3 posted on 06/28/2022 4:10:38 PM PDT by SauronOfMordor (A Leftist can't enjoy life unless they are controlling, hurting, or destroying others)
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To: algore

Never happen, Europe will never let Isreal join Nato.


4 posted on 06/28/2022 4:11:45 PM PDT by Husker24 (Pp)
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To: SauronOfMordor

Evangelical cucks in the US are more than willing to let their countrymen die for them.


5 posted on 06/28/2022 4:12:46 PM PDT by EEGator
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To: algore

The main sticking point has always been that Israel would have to set permanent borders first before being admitted.


6 posted on 06/28/2022 4:13:06 PM PDT by jimwatx
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To: algore

I don’t think so.


7 posted on 06/28/2022 4:34:08 PM PDT by Halls (Christian, Conservative, Proud Texan, Patriot, 100% Pro Life!!)
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Comment #8 Removed by Moderator

The only people who despise joos more than the muslims are the Europeans


9 posted on 06/28/2022 4:41:42 PM PDT by dsrtsage ( Complexity is just simple lacking imagination)
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To: algore

Klaus Schwab will propose a seven year trial period....

just for seven years, to see how things work out.....

- eschatology...


10 posted on 06/28/2022 4:45:31 PM PDT by fishtank (The denial of original sin is the root of liberalism.)
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To: algore

Possibly, these days with Israel’s trade and defense agreements with Arab countries fearful of Iran, Israelis and Arabs could look to have defense agreements with NATO.

Probably no chance of full membership.


11 posted on 06/28/2022 4:51:25 PM PDT by jjotto ( Blessed are You LORD, who crushes enemies and subdues the wicked.)
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To: G Larry

Israel should NOT become a member of NATO. Israel will lose a lot of its freedom of action if it does. Israel as a member will find out that the Mutual Defense Agreement that is the essential part of NATO somehow doesn’t apply to Israel.


12 posted on 06/28/2022 4:57:15 PM PDT by arthurus (covfefe /)
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To: algore

Sure am glad that didn’t happen. It’s not that I have anything against Israel, it’s just that they have been fighting since the 1940’s up until today.

War seems to be par for the course for any nation in that region.

Israel can stand on its own and doesn’t need NATO to do so.


13 posted on 06/28/2022 5:10:04 PM PDT by packagingguy
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To: algore

Why not? The Warsaw Pact (NATO’s only justification) is just as much a threat to Israel as it is to Poland or the US.


14 posted on 06/28/2022 5:18:51 PM PDT by hardspunned (former GOP globalist stooge)
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To: EEGator
"Evangelical cucks in the US are more than willing to let their countrymen die for them." Considering that (NPR protests) "Only 14 percent of the U.S. population is evangelical Christian, compared to 40 percent of the military's active duty personnel. More than 60 percent of military chaplains are evangelicals")

then it is Evangelicals who are most willing to serve and possible die for God and country.

Meanwhile, of all nations, if one does not support Israel (which comprises just 0.2 percent of the Middle East’s land mass while Arabs of today controls 24 nations) as the victim of unjust aggression, then you must be a strict isolationist, or biased.

15 posted on 06/28/2022 5:52:22 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Turn to the Lord Jesus as a damned+destitute sinner, trust Him who saves, be baptized + follow Him!)
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To: daniel1212

“...then you must be a strict isolationist, or biased.”

That’s what is known as a false dichotomy.


16 posted on 06/28/2022 6:11:20 PM PDT by EEGator
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To: algore

Why in the name of Baal would Israel join such a weak organization like NATO? LOL


17 posted on 06/28/2022 6:14:21 PM PDT by Tell It Right (1st Thessalonians 5:21 -- Put everything to the test, hold fast to that which is true.)
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To: algore

Dismantle NATO !


18 posted on 06/28/2022 6:39:40 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (America Owes Anita Bryant An Enormous Apology)
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To: All

Have to agree with you on this one. The EU and NATO have their hands full already, and the traditionally US led NATO is in total disarray due to the strategically plalced US fraud prez not actually leading anything, and dispite the smoke and mirrors, greenlighting everything Moscow, Beijing, and Tehran on everything.

Lets build a more foundational picture -

RUSFed/CIS Navy has heavily and redundantly armed and nuclear (WMD) weaponized ports in Kaliningrad, St. Petersburg, Murmansk, Sevestopol, and likely Tartus.

Importantly, RUSFed/CIS Navy now have defenses or defended ports in Latakia, Tripoli, and four smaller RUSFed/CIS Naval ports from Libya to Egypt, and yes a RUSFed Naval port facility on the highly segregated island of Cyprus.

RUSFed/CIS Navy also now has a 3 smaller facilities (including unofficial but heavily defended “facilities”) from just North of our only US AFRICOM Naval Base in all of Africa in Djibouti (with the US now straddled by the Chinese Naval Base immediately adjacent to our base in DJ on the South/East and three smaller RUSFed Navy “facilities” to our North going up the Red Sea Coast (which are under one command, acting “in cascade/as one”, which have regularly supplied the Iranian led/backed Houthi attacks against Saudii Arabia and Saudi energy infrastructure, which supplies energy to the EU, (circa 2012/2013). RUSFed/CIS Navy also supports officially and unofficially, ports at Bandar Azali (Irans North Coast), and Iran’s Bandar-e-Bushehr and Chabahar ports in the Persian Gulf as forward military bases for RUSFed/CIS Naval warships and nuclear submarines.

As a hybrid, RUSFed naval presence has been heavily operational in support of Russian PMC’s (as they have and are currently doing in Venezuela, Guatemala, Nicaragua, Cuba, and Mexico) involved in training and support of Iranian backed Houthi’s in the Bab al-Mandab strait, Yemen, and have active Russian Naval refueling and maintenance facilities already in place, similar to what they had from 1960-1991.

Silicon Valley’s close Kremlin friend’s at Wikipedia media, and acedemia will not cover many of these, but we are now at 18 monitored and important RUSFed/CIS naval ports and facilities in just the EUCOM, CENTCOM, and *Northern/Mediterranean oriented AFRICOM AOR’s, only 3 of which are considered “cold water” ports/bases. And we are not even talking other strictly known and defended RUSFed anti-ship missile battery locations (including at Benghazi https://www.csis.org/analysis/moscows-next-front-russias-expanding-military-footprint-libya https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6254859/Putin-planting-troops-missiles-eastern-Libya-anti-western-stronghold.html https://rtd.rt.com/shows/the-kalashnikova-show-military-secrets-anna-knishenko/russian-weapons-in-egypt/), RUSFed Air Force, and friendly refueling ports, which include Oman. In January 2022, Russia also held a very large Naval exercise involving over 120 ships and more than 60 aircraft of their own off the Oman Coast, similar to the 140 Navy drill off the Irish Coast and Britain held at the same time.

And we are not even getting into other Russian Naval and Air Force facilities in the rest of Africa, Pacific theater, South America, Caribbean (Venezuela, Nicaragua), and Gulf of Mexico (Cuba) yet. And yes, they are there significantly. In fact, it would shock most who have not been tracking what has really been going on. I have imagery of multiple RUSFed naval assets in Cuba, Nicaragua, Venezuela, loitering/anchoring off Guatemala (many times), and loitering off both ends of the Chinese controlled Panama Canal.

Additionally, in January 2022, RUSFed/CIS Navy held a large naval exercise off the Irish Coast for two weeks (140 ships involved). which was preceded by RUSFed/CIS Navy circumnavigating (surrounding) the whole of Great Britain, the NW Coast of France, the Netherlands, Sweden (which also saw RUS Air Force fly directly over both its mid axis air space and that of Finland and Norway with recon and heavily armed aircraft). As well, the day after Putin invaded Ukraine, while British Parliament held an emergency meeting in London, the RUSFed Navy had assets literally all the way around Britain, which were shadowed by French, British, and US naval and Air Force assets, and they had imagery and discussed the matter “on the floor” in Parliament.

There is much much more, but the real baseline of adversarial posturing and capability is far advanced in both Eastern and Western hemisphere’s than most can comprehend at this time.

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In other words, while NATO is in total disarray — ISRAEL IS TOTALLY AND REDUNDANTLY SURROUNDED by layers of hardened enemy offensive and defensive systems.


19 posted on 06/28/2022 7:24:08 PM PDT by patriotfury ((May the fleas of a thousand camels occupy mo' ham mads tents!) )
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To: EEGator
"That’s what is known as a false dichotomy."

Yes, as I could have provided more alternatives, but hoped my reply would elicit the correct one from you. So what is your reason(s) if opposing military support for Israel and any animus against evangelicals?

20 posted on 06/29/2022 3:39:20 AM PDT by daniel1212 (Turn to the Lord Jesus as a damned+destitute sinner, trust Him who saves, be baptized + follow Him!)
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