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First heavy weapons from Germany reach Ukraine
YOUTUBE ^ | Jun 22, 2022 | Deutsche Welle-DW

Posted on 06/22/2022 9:47:23 AM PDT by UMCRevMom@aol.com

Self-propelled howitzers, the Panzerhaubitze 2000, are the first heavy weapons sent by Germany to arrive in Ukraine. Ukraine confirmed the howitzers and other heavy weapons were received, but says they are just a drop in the ocean of what is needed to fend off the Russian assault.

Russia continues to make advances in the Donbas. Ukrainian officials say its forces have captured several more settlements and now control almost all of the Luhansk region.

Meanwhile, a diplomatic dispute between Russia and Lithuania is escalating after the Baltic state blocked the rail transit of sanctioned goods through its territory to the Russian exclave of Kaliningrad. Lithuania says it's just following EU guidelines — now Moscow's threatening 'serious consequences.'


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1 posted on 06/22/2022 9:47:23 AM PDT by UMCRevMom@aol.com
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To: UMCRevMom@aol.com

VIDEO:
First heavy weapons from Germany reach Ukraine
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYx8ZVrnL9s


2 posted on 06/22/2022 9:48:06 AM PDT by UMCRevMom@aol.com (et, so p )
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To: UMCRevMom@aol.com

Not the first time the Russians fought Ukrainians armed with German weapons.


3 posted on 06/22/2022 9:51:30 AM PDT by allendale
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To: UMCRevMom@aol.com

It is a brutal, stupid, unnecessary war. Everyone involved in bringing it about, and everyone involved in perpetuating it should be ashamed.


4 posted on 06/22/2022 9:52:46 AM PDT by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion, or satire, or both.)
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To: allendale

This and the Kalinigrad blockaide. Moscow needs to shut off the gas spigot and be done with it.


5 posted on 06/22/2022 9:54:07 AM PDT by DesertRhino (Dogs are called man's best friend. Moslems hate dogs. Add it up..)
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To: UMCRevMom@aol.com

Why didn’t Ukraine invest in their own defense?

If you can’t keep your borders protected, you always risk a take over.


6 posted on 06/22/2022 9:57:53 AM PDT by ConservativeMind (Trump: Befuddling Democrats, Republicans, and the Media for the benefit of the US and all mankind.)
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To: DesertRhino

Russia already has signed contracts, none of which mention sanctions as a valid excuse to stop the flow

so if Russia doesn’t want to honor those and play political games with the oil & gas supply, it will just prove what an unreliable supplier Russia really is


7 posted on 06/22/2022 10:00:47 AM PDT by canuck_conservative
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To: ConservativeMind
You are correct, as evidenced by the columns of invaders attacking the USA for the south.


8 posted on 06/22/2022 10:02:30 AM PDT by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion, or satire, or both.)
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To: UMCRevMom@aol.com

Let’s see if they ever make it to the front lines.


9 posted on 06/22/2022 10:03:01 AM PDT by McGruff (Don't underestimate Joe's ability to f*** things up - Barack Obama)
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To: UMCRevMom@aol.com

> First heavy weapons from Germany reach Ukraine <

And here I thought this was going to be a post about Operation Barbarossa. Oh, well. I guess everything old is new again.

And I’m only half-kidding here. Putin is a war criminal for invading Ukraine. None of his excuses are good enough. But Germany sure is making it more interesting.


10 posted on 06/22/2022 10:09:29 AM PDT by Leaning Right (The steal is real.)
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To: McGruff
Let’s see if they ever make it to the front lines.

They will probably end up in the Middle East on the arms markets like much of what NATO has sent Ukraine.

11 posted on 06/22/2022 10:25:49 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi (We are being manipulated by forces that most do not see)
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To: UMCRevMom@aol.com

This has become quite the proxy war.


12 posted on 06/22/2022 10:30:13 AM PDT by joma89 (Buy weapons and ammo, folks, and have the will to use them.)
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To: BenLurkin

It’s only stupid and unnecessary from our point of view.

From Putin’s point of view, the real mission has nothing to do with NATO or biolabs or even nazis in Ukraine (none of which actually bother Putin at all); it’s all about the Russkiy Mir (see http://en.kremlin.ru/events/president/news/68606) and creating a new world order based on Russian exceptionalism.

And that Russkiy Mir doesn’t look like a diaspora of sovereign equal states. It’s an ethnonationalist empire, plain and simple:

“In order to claim some kind of leadership — I am not even talking about global leadership, I mean leadership in any area — any country, any people, any ethnic group should ensure their sovereignty ... Because there is no in-between, no intermediate state: either a country is sovereign, or it is a colony, no matter what the colonies are called.”

Russia’s TV station pundits recently talked about the cost of that. They surmised that a long term occupation of Ukraine, with forced re-education and re-Russification, would a need to “pacify” up to 15% of the Ukrainian civilian population and eliminate up to a third of that number to account for incorrigible resistance.

For those who are seriously crap at even kindergarten level math, that means Russia’s own TV pundits and Duma don’t have a problem talking openly about having three million Ukrainians executed as part of a collective punishment for being ornery. Putin’s own plans say this generational punishment should last for two two generations.

The genocide that isn’t: <100 people a year were dying due to ongoing conflict in the Donbas, 2019-2022. Source: the DPR, i.e. the people who asked Putin to help end a genocide. Their own body counts.

Actual genocide: Putin’s surrender terms which effectively priced in the deaths of 3 million Ukrainians over two generations. If you simplify that to 20 years it means up to 150,000 a year. Civilians, that is. On top of military casualties.

So, if you put it in that very simple context - a diminishing genocide with 50 civilian corpses a year attributed to it versus a promised genocide with well over 100,000 civilians a year in the firing line - of course it doesn’t look so “unnecessary” from the Uke point of view.


13 posted on 06/22/2022 10:44:48 AM PDT by MalPearce
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To: ConservativeMind

“Why didn’t Ukraine invest in their own defense?”

They did spend millions bribing Biden and other US politicians. They were buying something.


14 posted on 06/22/2022 10:52:19 AM PDT by alternatives? (The only reason to have an army is to defend your borders.)
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To: canuck_conservative

You have a wonderful sense of humor. Germany refuses to pay in rubles, they’re sending heavy artillery to kill Russian soldiers, they stopped Nordstream and seized Gasprom infrastructure, they cut off Russian banking from swift, Germany pretty much will never do business with Russia again until WEF puts a puppet in Moscow….

…and you priggishly opine that Russia must adhere to a contract Germany already negated. Lol


15 posted on 06/22/2022 11:15:13 AM PDT by DesertRhino (Dogs are called man's best friend. Moslems hate dogs. Add it up..)
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To: DesertRhino
Germany refuses to pay in rubles

Germany doesn't have to, the contracts specified Euros

Russia can't change the terms unilaterally


16 posted on 06/22/2022 11:18:44 AM PDT by canuck_conservative
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To: ConservativeMind

Unfortunately, Ukraine had trusted all the political agreements signed with Russia.


17 posted on 06/22/2022 11:26:36 AM PDT by UMCRevMom@aol.com (et, so p )
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To: MalPearce

Thanks for your very well articulated comment.


18 posted on 06/22/2022 11:29:06 AM PDT by UMCRevMom@aol.com (et, so p )
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To: canuck_conservative

Wrong. Germany has to transfer euros to Russia. At the same time Germany has made it impossible to send euros to Russia. So Russia said they will accept rubles. Write a check to your mortgage company, tack it on the wall, or put it in an escrow account they cannot access. Claim you have paid your mortgage. See how that works out for you.


19 posted on 06/22/2022 11:31:52 AM PDT by DesertRhino (Dogs are called man's best friend. Moslems hate dogs. Add it up..)
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To: UMCRevMom@aol.com

Unfortunately, that one political agreement only said the US would consider raising issues with Russia and other countries that Ukraine offered it.

It was not a treaty, nor was it meant to encourage spending nothing on defense, nor did it mean Ukraine could create issues with its neighbors.

Unfortunately.


20 posted on 06/22/2022 11:37:10 AM PDT by ConservativeMind (Trump: Befuddling Democrats, Republicans, and the Media for the benefit of the US and all mankind.)
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