Posted on 06/13/2022 7:53:40 AM PDT by grundle
An Alabama man who planted flowers on the gravesite of his fiancee and was arrested at the direction of the woman’s disapproving father was found guilty of littering this week.
About a month after Winston “Winchester” Hagans got engaged, his fiancee, Hannah Ford, was killed in a three-car crash in January 2021 that shattered what was supposed to be the happiest time of their lives. To honor the 27-year-old, Hagans placed a planter box full of fresh flowers and photos of the two of them on her grave in Auburn, Ala.
But earlier this year, Hagans was arrested on a charge of criminal littering. City officials had reassured him that he could put the planter at Ford’s gravesite unless there was a complaint. Then he discovered that a complaint had been filed — by the Rev. Tom Ford, his fiancee’s father.
“The police don’t enforce the law unless the owner of the plot tries to do something about it,” Hagans told The Washington Post earlier this year, adding that his late fiancee’s father did not approve of their relationship.
Hagans was convicted Thursday on one count of criminal littering and ordered to pay about $300 in fines and court costs, the Opelika-Auburn News reported. The 32-year-old man was also given a suspended jail sentence of 30 days that will remain suspended as long as Hagans does not place any more flowers or planter boxes on his fiancee’s grave.
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“It may surprise you to learn that it does not mean “These are magic words that I can say in lieu of a real reply.”
I posted Non Sequitur because instead of addressing my question you made a statement that did not logically follow.
As I said before, I don’t respond to those types of replies.
It was *IN* the freaking message to which you replied! I said "The boy feels he has some right to her memory, and I cannot fault him for feeling that way. This is likely his mechanism for grieving"
What was his mechanism for grieving? Putting the Planter there!
You *QUOTED* what I said! And now you are pretending *I* am taking it out of context?
You used it to claim that I sad the planter was there over a year.
You acknowledged it when I said it. You are being disingenuous.
But hey, why don't we just try a little honesty here? I asked you how long that planter had been there such that it rotted, and so why don't you just answer that question if you know the answer?
Looking back at my post it was responding to the dudes grieving.
"Mechanism for grieving." Which again was putting the *Planter* there.
Now did you just misread it, or are you lying like you are so quick to accuse me of doing?
You are such a dishonest poster.
If that is true, then we are a pair.
Is this an honest question? Do you really not know, despite my posting it several times?
Are you trying to be disingenuous (lying) again?
If one has not lied, one does not need to apologize for lies.
intent is understood.
Asserted. You misspelled "Asserted."
“Is this an honest question? Do you really not know, despite my posting it several times?”
Honest question. I have seen several posts on Pastor Ford but none on Preacher Winston’s religion.
Something tells me you are being disingenuous again.
So you believe the man who shot the other man who came to his house to visit his son should be prosecuted?
You knowingly lied when you took my post out of context and giving it a false reference.
Call it what you want but at least admit you falsely accused.
Well i'm glad I cleared it up for you on a subsequent iteration, because clearly it didn't get conveyed properly on the first discussion.
It wouldn't do to have you continue misusing a Latin phrase. It would make you look ignorant or something.
“So you believe the man who shot the other man who came to his house to visit his son should be prosecuted?”
Bring up the thread or STFU with your insinuations.
You knowingly lied when you took my post out of context and giving it a false reference.
Call it what you want but at least admit you falsely accused.
The conversation is as follows.
Message 450.You"Perhaps you missed the part where the called out for saying he wound never stop.
Me Well we know he will someday, but that doesn't absolve the pastor from doing what his religion teaches.
Message 452.
You"What does Winston’s religion say for him to do?"
Message 453, in reply to Message 450.
You"Non Sequitur"
So you ask me what Winston's religion says for him to do, but say "non sequitur" when I point out that the Pastor isn't conforming to his own religion.
Why is this relevant for Winston, who is presumably a heathen, but not for the Reverend, who is presumably a Christian?
You want something that Does. Not. Follow.
This is it.
He's a preacher? Where did you find that information?
Well my guess is that if he is in Alabama, it's going to be some flavor of Christianity most likely.
If they are both preachers, (you wouldn't lie to me, would you?) then they are both being horses @$$es.
You see, I was operating under the mistaken assumption (according to what you have now told me) that Ford was a preacher, and Winston was just some schlub.
If they are both preachers, then they both should have "turned the other cheek."
“The conversation is as follows.”
You deliberately screwed up the conversation just like you have done before.
“He’s a preacher? Where did you find that information?”
On his website.
A question is not an "insinuation." If you will not clarify, then what can be done beyond asking questions?
I could probably find the thread, but you could also just state your position and we can see if I was lying or not.
Right now I only have your word that I'm "lying", and at this point I am not so willing to trust your veracity. :)
Do you side with the shooter or the victim?
Bring up the thread or STFU with your insinuations.
No I didn't. You are just accusing, and falsely too. (I assume you are talking about "mechanism for grieving".)
Call it what you want but at least admit you falsely accused.
I cannot admit of such a thing of which I have no knowledge. To do so would be lying.
Correct it for us then. Quote the conversation accurately and put it in the right sequence.
“but you could also just state your position and we can see if I was lying or not.”
I know that I never held the position you accused me of.
Bring up the thread or STFU!
A real one, or a "I say so" one?
I've known a lot of "I say so" preachers, and i've known ordained ministers of multiple faiths.
Which one is he?
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