Posted on 06/13/2022 7:53:40 AM PDT by grundle
An Alabama man who planted flowers on the gravesite of his fiancee and was arrested at the direction of the woman’s disapproving father was found guilty of littering this week.
About a month after Winston “Winchester” Hagans got engaged, his fiancee, Hannah Ford, was killed in a three-car crash in January 2021 that shattered what was supposed to be the happiest time of their lives. To honor the 27-year-old, Hagans placed a planter box full of fresh flowers and photos of the two of them on her grave in Auburn, Ala.
But earlier this year, Hagans was arrested on a charge of criminal littering. City officials had reassured him that he could put the planter at Ford’s gravesite unless there was a complaint. Then he discovered that a complaint had been filed — by the Rev. Tom Ford, his fiancee’s father.
“The police don’t enforce the law unless the owner of the plot tries to do something about it,” Hagans told The Washington Post earlier this year, adding that his late fiancee’s father did not approve of their relationship.
Hagans was convicted Thursday on one count of criminal littering and ordered to pay about $300 in fines and court costs, the Opelika-Auburn News reported. The 32-year-old man was also given a suspended jail sentence of 30 days that will remain suspended as long as Hagans does not place any more flowers or planter boxes on his fiancee’s grave.
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“So where did we end up on the you were gleefully celebrating a man getting shot who was trying to visit his kid thing?”
I think we were discussing how your memory was failing and how you were lying about me.
Your sentence had nothing to do with the other person's thinking. Unless you are pulling their strings? Are you pulling their strings? I sorta think they are their own person.
Your post: Calling it “litter” is just stupid.
That's right. This is like Pelosi "Deeming" something.
No, there is a real world and words have real meaning. Normal people don't think "litter" when they see a grave flower exhibit.
Sad. In your world if a person disagrees with you it is because they don’t understand you.
“Your sentence had nothing to do with the other person’s thinking.”
Then why did you say it did?
Well we won't be able to figure that out until you own up to your position.
You've been dodging answering that ever since the topic was broached, which makes me think my initial assessment is correct.
Also, what was that you posted earlier about disrespecting the site? Didn't it say something about personal attacks? I would think accusing someone of "lying" would fit into that catagory, but if you have an odd understanding of the word "litter", then perhaps you are having troubles with understanding those rules too?
You've got the link. Just post it and we can all look.
You said it perfectly in your post. The headline implies it was just some flowers, and the mean ol’ Christian took ‘em down! But what this middle-aged boyfriend did was tantamount to harassment of the family of the woman he said he loved because they — I suspect correctly — didn’t think he was of good character. Which he then set out to prove beyond a doubt.
For them to have to look at items he clearly did not ask their permission to place on their property containing photos of himself every time the mother and father went to the grave, because, in his words, he “didn’t care” — that’s just crude. We don’t know anything about him, but based on what we know so far, I’m not impressed.
“No, there is a real world and words have real meaning. Normal people don’t think “litter” when they see a grave flower exhibit.”
In the real world, it is if placed there against the owner’s wishes and left their to rot’
“You’ve got the link. Just post it and we can all look.”
I posted the relevant parts.
It is sad. I really wish people would be more well read and knowledgeable, but what can you do?
I try to educate people, but a lot of them are stubborn and just want to believe whatever it is they've made up their minds to believe.
It's a chronic problem.
That's all you.
Well said.
Yes, because cemeteries have no means of dealing with stuff left on graves to rot. Over time it accumulates until the cemetery is one big dump.
That happens all the time.
“I try to educate people,”
Right! If only people would understand you they would know you as the keeper of all knowledge and agree with you.
I think many of us here on this thread that you have stunk up with your high-minded criticisms of people you don't know in a jurisdiction you don't know about an incident only partially reported can certainly agree with you on that.
And for some reason you think we should all just trust you?
I don't know your experience, but I'm used to people telling me all sorts of stuff that isn't correct. I no longer take anyone's word for something, especially if it has a subjective component to it.
“Yes, because cemeteries have no means of dealing with stuff left on graves to rot.”
Irrelevant. The owner of the plot where his daughter was buried had to clean it up.
“And for some reason you think we should all just trust you?
I don’t know your experience, but I’m used to people telling me all sorts of stuff that isn’t correct. “
You could find no fault with the part I quoted so now you want me to post the entire Alabama code!
It’s easily found online.
They don't need to understand me, they need to have a good grasp of English, a decent vocabulary, a good working knowledge of history, and a significant amount of life experience with people and the games people play.
...they would know you as the keeper of all knowledge and agree with you.
Nobody keeps "all knowledge". Everybody keeps some, but reality doesn't change simply because you wish it so.
” I no longer take anyone’s word for something, especially if it has a subjective component to it.”
You didn’t do due diligence on this slanted article by the librral media doing a hit job on a Southern preacher ...
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