Posted on 06/13/2022 7:53:40 AM PDT by grundle
An Alabama man who planted flowers on the gravesite of his fiancee and was arrested at the direction of the woman’s disapproving father was found guilty of littering this week.
About a month after Winston “Winchester” Hagans got engaged, his fiancee, Hannah Ford, was killed in a three-car crash in January 2021 that shattered what was supposed to be the happiest time of their lives. To honor the 27-year-old, Hagans placed a planter box full of fresh flowers and photos of the two of them on her grave in Auburn, Ala.
But earlier this year, Hagans was arrested on a charge of criminal littering. City officials had reassured him that he could put the planter at Ford’s gravesite unless there was a complaint. Then he discovered that a complaint had been filed — by the Rev. Tom Ford, his fiancee’s father.
“The police don’t enforce the law unless the owner of the plot tries to do something about it,” Hagans told The Washington Post earlier this year, adding that his late fiancee’s father did not approve of their relationship.
Hagans was convicted Thursday on one count of criminal littering and ordered to pay about $300 in fines and court costs, the Opelika-Auburn News reported. The 32-year-old man was also given a suspended jail sentence of 30 days that will remain suspended as long as Hagans does not place any more flowers or planter boxes on his fiancee’s grave.
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Yes.
So why didn't you post the whole thing? I suspect people are trying to mislead me when they leave things out of context.
(1) Knowingly deposits in any manner litter on any public or private property or in any public or private waters, having no permission to do so.
Well see? It isn't "litter."
I don't think I've made the argument that it wasn't legal. I've made the argument that it was wrong headed and over the top stupid.
Also morally wrong.
“Well see? It isn’t “litter.””
I previously posted the definition of litter and you acknowledged that post.
So why didn’t you post the definition? I know people are trying to mislead others when they leave things out of context.”
She would not be happy about what her father has done.
The judge needed to get both of these people into a room and have a stern talk with the both of them reminding them both of the girl that was lost and how the daughter would want them both to be at peace!
That would require a sensible judge, and I can assure you there aren't very many of those!
The Judge should have talked to the young man and sent him on his way. If the young man comes back to his court on the same complaint, then the judge should have slapped him down.
But we have a lot of arrogant judges nowadays.
Yeah I read all that, I was just trying to save a little time...but you saw the same things I saw. The 10th baox was found after the complaint had been issued(don’t know if he knew the complaint had been filed when he put the 10th box down). But you undertand the point, I think. The story isn’t so simple and I found I had to quash my initial reaction that the Revered was all in the wrong and insensitive. He could have seen in the boy what I am sensing from the boy now as i read his words and account of what happened and maybe he saw him as being harful to his daughter in the long term. He was her Father and probably wanted what was best and wanted them both to slow down and think things out...we’ll never know.
What would Jesus do?
I didn't like him. It doesn't bother me at all to slight him.
Perhaps the dad/pastor prayed every day for the two of them not to ever get married.
Sadly, he got his wish.
“How many times should a Christian turn the other cheek? Is 10 too much? Fight back after 10?”
So perhaps YOU can set me straight on your these particular points.
If someone rapes your daughter or wife, your standard is they get 70 X 7 attempts before you report them to the police? Under that and you just have a patient, gentle talk with them? What about if they steal your car? 100 times? How about your young children or grandchild getting molested? The perp gets 50 times?
Less serous offenses... they keep stealing your riding lawn mower, You buy another 25 before reporting them to the police?
Please detail your standards for real world crimes, according to your theology.
You are cheery picking things out of the air and contorting them like a pretzel.
Let me inject another factor here. Cemeteries have evolved over the years and there are some sections in many older cemeteries where standing monuments are allowed and other sections where the headstones are required to be flush with the ground. This young woman was apparently buried in a “flush” section. The reason for this is ease of maintenance. Lawn mowing is much easier if you aren’t dodging marble monoliths. And while you can put items on the gravesite, if you leave it past mowing day, it likely will become litter really quick.
Yeah, but I see wiggle room in that definition for deciding that stuff isn't "litter."
So why didn’t you post the definition? I know people are trying to mislead others when they leave things out of context.”
Some months back I ran across a comment which went something like this.
"In an old Polish Dictionary I ran across this definition for the word "Horse."
"Everyone knows what a Horse is."
Everyone knows what "litter" is.
Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God. Therefore whoever resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment. For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad.
“There are actually MORE rednecks in Florida than all of Alabama. And by that, I mean native born”
I don’t know where you got your data from but I’d sure like to see it.
The out of state plates I see in just my town alone is mind-boggling.
You said:”That would require a sensible judge, and I can assure you there aren’t very many of those!
Yeah i copy you in that regard...got lost in a fantasy of wishful hope for there for a second.../sad sarcasm
Like ol’ Diogenes, I too wish in vain for an honest man or at least a politician who will keep his hands out of my pockets!
LOL!
“Yeah, but I see wiggle room in that definition for deciding that stuff isn’t “litter.””
I don’t. Any foreign substance of any value placed on another’s private property without their permission.
“Everyone knows what “litter” is.”
You didn’t know till I posted the Alabama definition.
I am reminded of this:
A Chieftan to the Highlands bound,
Cries, ‘Boatman, do not tarry;
And I’ll give thee a silver pound
To row us o’er the ferry.’‘Now who be ye would cross Lochgyle,
This dark and stormy water?’
‘Oh! I’m the chief of Ulva’s isle,
And this Lord Ullin’s daughter.‘And fast before her father’s men
Three days we’ve fled together,
For should he find us in the glen,
My blood would stain the heather.‘His horsemen hard behind us ride;
Should they our steps discover,
Then who will cheer my bonny bride
When they have slain her lover?’Outspoke the hardy Highland wight:
‘I’ll go, my chief – I’m ready:
It is not for your silver bright,
But for your winsome lady.‘And by my word, the bonny bird
In danger shall not tarry:
So, though the waves are raging white,
I’ll row you o’er the ferry.’By this the storm grew loud apace,
The water-wraith was shrieking;
And in the scowl of heaven each face
Grew dark as they were speaking.But still, as wilder blew the wind,
And as the night grew drearer,
Adown the glen rode armed men-
Their trampling sounded nearer.‘Oh! Haste thee, haste!’ the lady cries,
‘Though tempests round us gather;
I’ll meet the raging of the skies,
But not an angry father.’The boat has left a stormy land,
A stormy sea before her-
When oh! Too strong for human hand,
The tempest gathered o’er her.And still they rowed amidst the roar
Of waters fast prevailing;
Lord Ullin reach’d that fatal shore-
His wrath was chang’d to wailing.For sore dismay’d, through storm and shade,
His child he did discover;
One lovely hand she stretch’d for aid,
And one was round her lover.‘Come back! Come back!’ he cried in grief,
‘Across this stormy water;
And I’ll forgive your Highland chief,
My daughter!- oh, my daughter!’‘Twas vain: the loud waves lash’d the shore,
Return or aid preventing;
The waters wild went o’er his child,
And he was left lamenting.
Thomas Campbell
You answer me first. :)
Than post 40 some times today.....
Do you not have a life?
Maybe you should look up something on Mr. Little Red boots...in WACO.
That might be productive....
Cheers...and get a life...
I see I am still living in your head!
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