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1 posted on 05/27/2022 12:19:31 PM PDT by Az Joe
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Higher death rate than B-17 crew?


2 posted on 05/27/2022 12:21:22 PM PDT by G Larry (Anybody notice that Satan is hard at work?)
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To: Az Joe

I’ve seen a claim that the attrition rate (killed or shot down and captured) of bomber crewmen in the 8th Air Force in WWII was around 70%.

Given the horrendous casualty rates (in an extreme case, Schweinfurt/Oct 43, 20%) prior to all-the-way fighter escort that’s believable.


3 posted on 05/27/2022 12:23:12 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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I had an uncle that was a submariner in the war. We never actually knew what he did, he just said he was in the Navy in an aw shucks way that he had. He would take a drag on his cigarette and say, “It was boring, you don’t want to hear about it.”

Before the war he was a baker at Holsum Bread back in the day when our small town had that sort of thing. It was wonderful, you could smell the baking bread all over town.

We found out what he did when we got his military headstone.


5 posted on 05/27/2022 12:31:21 PM PDT by Sequoyah101 (Politicians are only marginally good at one thing, being politicians. Otherwise they are fools.)
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To: Az Joe

There’s a book called “Iron Coffins” written by a former WWII German U-Boat skipper. Their attrition was unbelievably high. I know longer remember the percentage, but volunteering for that service was almost a death sentence.


7 posted on 05/27/2022 12:31:44 PM PDT by Reily
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To: Az Joe

the 8th Air Force might not see it that way...

especially the first year


12 posted on 05/27/2022 12:39:45 PM PDT by Chode (there is no fall back position, there's no rally point, there is no LZ... we're on our own. #FJB)
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To: Az Joe

It was my distinct pleasure to attend the “tolling of the boats” cermony at the Nimitz Museum in Fredericksburg TX last week. 128 members of the Silent Service Motorcycle Club rode and drove in from all over the country for our annual country wide rally. We gather and read the names of the boats, what happened to it and the number of our shipmates who were lost.

It reminds me every time at the choice I made and the profound effect it had on my life.

While my service was entirely on Nuke boats the WW2 vets who sailed our diesel counterparts have my eternal respect.

To all who have sailed with us, before us and have yet to sail, duty on a submarine is not something you plan. It is something that happens and will become part of your soul. I salute you all


15 posted on 05/27/2022 12:43:33 PM PDT by Cold War Veteran - Submarines
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1280 subs lost in action? Ridiculous. The number, I believe, is 54 on eternal patrol. Balao Class subs averaged 80-85 crewmen.


19 posted on 05/27/2022 1:05:20 PM PDT by xkaydet65 ( )
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First time I went through the WWII sub at Pearl Harbor a Japanese family had entered right behind me. It was very odd hearing Japanese spoken while walking through. I thought I was in a Twilight Zone time warp.


23 posted on 05/27/2022 1:12:49 PM PDT by BiglyCommentary
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We lost IIRC 52 boats.

Still, at just 2% of the US Navy they sank over 30% of all Japanese tonnage. The Submarine was a vulnerable but very effective weapon in WWII.


31 posted on 05/27/2022 1:51:48 PM PDT by FLT-bird
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I don't know where the author gets these numbers unless it's all submarines in all navies. The US lost 52 boats to enemy combat or failing to return from patrol.

After the war a veterans group asked every state to erect a memorial to an assigned boat. NY and California were asked to erect two. All states have now done so.

40 posted on 05/27/2022 2:43:09 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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Brother in law’s uncle.

https://www.oneternalpatrol.com/saarm-a-h.htm


45 posted on 05/27/2022 5:04:18 PM PDT by FarCenter
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