Posted on 05/19/2022 7:15:07 AM PDT by DIRTYSECRET
*Disrespectful and disgraceful title. Pat Tillman placed his life on the line when he volunteered to serve in combat. That means, that whatever his political beliefs, he was a patriot of the highest order.* Just what we think on the right.
*He was killed by negligence/crappy training/substandard leadership and his memory is further soiled by the army’s cover-up afterward.* Just what they think on the left.
*This writer is garbage - as are all second-guessers out there who make money off trying to damage the reputation of far better people than they are. * Doesn’t matter. He’s a bestselling author. Deal with it.
Feel like the same thing can happen with extended mask wearing.
What do you mean? He elevated McAndless to folk hero status. Frankly I think he was way too nice and made McCandless into some sort of mythological figure, a sort of "Wandering Hippy Jesus". How do you see that as being unfair to the guy?
My brother was on the final investigation team and was sent over there. There was a lot more to it than this including low light conditions and inability to properly identify friendlies due to attire and being on top of a ridge. He lost a lot of his head from a .50:cal if I remember correctly. That’s all I want to say or really know - still have pics from the visit he sent and he’s retired now.
That is interesting. What altitude were they at? (Although it sounds as if that may be too simple of a question if the issue was going up and down rather than going high, acclimatizing and staying there.)
*He elevated McAndless to folk hero status. Frankly I think he was way too nice and made McCandless into some sort of mythological figure, a sort of “Wandering Hippy Jesus”. How do you see that as being unfair to the guy? *
As posted earlier McCandless was headstrong and VERY likable. These young guys think they’re indestructible. Arrogant to the point where you can’t tell them anything. Tell them you can’t do something and they’ll do it just to prove you wrong. Krakauer could have very well puffed up his likability. I don’t know. Tillman had too many of the same qualities. It gets dangerous.
Krakauer’s description of his characters made me pass on another of his words “Missoula”, having to do with rape and college culture.
Writing is an art. All art is political.
He is.
Stanley McChrystal appeared once on “CBS Sunday Morning” some years ago and said he wanted to ban semi-automatic weapons.
He’s a bigger dirtbag than the Taliban.
Then there’s Tillmans planned meeting with Noam Chomsky. The author really wanted to present Tillman as a good listener, wanting to be non-judgmental-an impossible task. I can still say Trump is on the same page as the democrats on many issues, issues we can all agree on. Still they will not support him with no benefit for themselves. Reagan didn’t care who got the credit. He was strong enough. Admission of being wrong would kill most leftists. 20 years of fighting was wrong and I can admit it reluctantly.
Think Columbia and drug lords. I remember a bill in Congress that would open up the country to trade. Help them fight the leftists and drug lords. No democrat support.
It s a judgement call. Helicopter troops up the mountain and dump them off with out time to acclimate. Friendly fire deaths are not uncommon. Stonewall Jackson, Mickey Marcus, just a couple of high profile deaths.
I knew Chris from HS, we had a class where he was a TA because most of his coursework was done as a sophomore or junior. He was brilliant but odd even back in the 80’s.
I think Krakauer is a good writer.
Tillman is a mystery to me but I appreciate and honor his sacrifice to our country.
“His hot temper led him to the bridge toll booth where they were waiting for him.”
No.
Honest people who have never ended up posing a threat cannot understand. There is a massive, secret machine that runs things with an iron fist. I have seen it with my own eyes. It took me years to just tamp down my disbelief, and truth be told I still cannot believe it, every morning I wake up.
We need to talk about it, because guys like Tillman need to know it is out there. Tillman died because he openly talked about politics and maybe getting into it, he looked like a comic book hero women would swoon for, his life story meant if he got into politics he might have gone somewhere, and his mentality meant he would never back down once it was revealed to him.
People do not understand, you cannot get away from the domestic network. People hear “gangstalking” and think it sounds crazy. Something exactly like the East German Stasi in America, informants everywhere, working for it, so many people who just reject the myths America espouses. It is real. It is just the domestic intel thing all countries assemble from the cynical people who never believed in the myths to begin with. Just in America it has gone farther than in most other places.
You think the election steal was done by the seat of Ruby Freeman’s pants? That was among the most complex intelligence operations in History, and it had a similarly massive and complex surveillance support unit doing overwatch at every step on a level people would never imagine. Nothing was left to chance, because if they blew it, they were dead. You don’t screw around at that level.
I have zero doubt the moment Tillman landed in the Army it was moving its people around him to make sure he was covered. When he talked politics to his “friends,” they were making notes, and that was landing in reports that worried the wrong people, and he was taken out.
Tillman’s mistake was thinking he could trust other people, being open and honest, and being a great American with balls who wanted to make a difference.
If you are a young kid out there, know this. If you have real beliefs, really care, and have potential, you cannot trust the people around you. This thing even sends in girls in the network to sleep with you. If you think that sounds crazy, you do not yet know how intelligence works, or how pervasive it is through American society.
Until you figure that out, you have to make every effort to fly under the radar.
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