Posted on 05/05/2022 5:10:41 AM PDT by Red Badger
As an aside, I was working at Wingcast in 2001. It was a cooperative venture between Ford and Qualcomm to compete with the GM OnStar capability. I was there for the 9/11/2001 attack and listened to reactions from many foreign H1B hires to the startup. The company cafeteria was just short of a bar fight between US citizens and the Indian/Pakistani H1Bs. A few weeks later, word leaked from a corporate meeting that the CEO said there would be no promotions for white male employees. Smooth move genius. That's most of your engineering staff. A mutiny was brewing. Engineers that put it long, uncompensated hours to make the company succeed realized the CEO intended to piss all over them.
Fear not Biden will bail them out at no cost to them just us.
From what I've seen, there is little if any demand for cross country EV travel...
Agreed, but...
“Demand” doesn’t matter; it’ll be mandatory in 15-20yrs if the leftist-demonKKKrats get their way and pass the laws.
Color me stupid but I don’t understand this statement as going along with losses.
“The capability of this business is much stronger than what we were able to provide in the quarter,” Ford CFO John Lawler said Wednesday, The Wall Street Journal reported.
This green net zero is not so compelling. What it obsoletes has been cheaper, more reliable, more functional. What is more, it is forcing obsolescence of perfectly good and functional things. It is also unnecessary. We are being forced to change by contrived obsolescence. That seems to be the only way anyone can create a market for an inferior product or concept.
Right or wrong what the climate models or anyone or anything else says does not matter. We are headed for net zero or whatever you want to call it like a rocket sled on rails all the way down a dark tunnel into the night without a map. It does not matter how costly it will be, how difficult it is, how many resources it consumes, how inefficient or unreliable it is or how much it changes life for the worse or anything else. The youngsters now in control of what is left of our future and theirs have been indoctrinated to believe this change is essential and don’t question it.
Computers were a sea change in our lives but they made life better eventually even though some were prejudiced against them. They replaced things like slide rules that were not as good, made things better, faster and cheaper but people did stretch them to silly applications. Computers were costly at first but they were compelling not just for cool factor but for use and the prices came down. I bought one of the very first SE30 Macs for a project for a large oil company, that was a hard purchase to get approved.
The hydrocarbon era is ending much like I expected it would based on my more than 40 years of experience in oil and gas exploration and production where I experienced some of almost all of that industry; drilling, completions, production and economics in depth. I told people for much of that time that we would never run out of hydrocarbons but run out of economical production rates, that production would continue for plastics and chemicals even if it did not for fuel. I never expected the end because of being forced out as it is now. Thing is, it is being forced out without the alternative being as good or better or a plan for success.
Soon, without investment to improve supplies, we will be shoved into alternatives to hydrocarbons. Diesel has finally exceeded $5 a gallon here. $2,500 to fill my diesel tank and over a thousand a year just for basic needs.
I am looking at my barnyard and wondering what happens to all the diesel powered equipment I have that is made for lifetime service.
He’s basically saying that the company, Rivian, will be profitable on down the line.................Tune in next quarter for a new excuse..................
They will become yard museum pieces...........No Diesel fuel to buy..............
Tesla don’t make tractors.
I have no opposition to something that is as good or better and there is a step-wise plan for implementation. Right now there is neither.
The mechanical simplicity of EV is compelling to be sure. Think of mining trucks and such. Electric wheel motors are simply great.
There is nothing now that will pull my gooseneck stock trailer or lowboy, no trackhoe, backhoe, dozer, loader or tractor replacements and certainly none that I can afford given that all my equipment is serviceable and paid for. I have tractors that serve me well that are older than many people on this board. They will easily outlive me if taken care of and fuel is available.
A shopping trip run to the city requires 300 miles range, as does a trip to see relatives. Just about any EV you can name either requires a charge or is a clencher of “will we make it?” where range is concerned for those trips. Until reliable range on this order for comparable cost and opex is achieved EV is an inconvenience to me making the EV not much more than a local machine. Not much more than a very expensive and glorified golf cart.
What happens to all the lifetime type iron that is forced into obsolescence? There is a lot of it. The pushers of this mess just don’t care. Not at all.
No, not yet.......................
Ford strikes again with a EDSEL!
Will that affect recycling or just new plastic? It's bad enough that the cost of food is being affected by what is inside the packaging.
Don’t have 60 grand to buy one but an ev would be a practical back and forth to work vehicle for me otherwise. 10 miles in 10 miles back.
no surprise to anyone with a modicum of common sense and a modicum of knowledge of physics ... this is just the harbinger of massive losses due to massive EV “investment” by the auto majors ...
During the Honda Goldwing race (how sweet it is)
Oh, they’ll still be banging fenders. Now you get to hear it!
Yes and no. The power source (whatever that may be) will become distributed down the the point of use in many cases.
Grid distribution won’t be quite as big an issue as it is now.
Assuming of course they authorize the use of small self contained modular reactors.
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