"Roswell was a smoke screen, we've had a half-a-dozen better salvage operations".
Posted on 05/03/2022 4:24:29 AM PDT by RoosterRedux
"Roswell was a smoke screen, we've had a half-a-dozen better salvage operations".
Terence McKenna:
“All cultures think that their culture represents a sanctioned reality.”
Of course they are always wrong—very wrong.
Terence’s best podcast on UFOs:
https://psychedelicsalon.com/podcast-261-the-definitive-ufo-tape/
The notion that the government or Congress are going to figure this stuff out is laughable.
It is like fish trying to explain bicycles to other fish.
We were fortunate to have a member here who was right in the middle of this. Jesseam has since passed away, but his first-hand comments on handling the roswell wreckage always added a certain depth and reality to what was otherwise at this point a far-off event.
If humans were anywhere close to redefining physics, there would be first proven scientific studies and papers, experiments and articles in journals that would be peer reviewed, some clue that some great innovation was about to occur. For something to just ‘appear’ that breaks all the rules of mechanics without any explanation goes beyond the sensible.
For those who think such leaps in tech could be achieved totally in black programs, not likely at all. Black programs occasionally develop new tech, but mostly its about the applications. Government labs do not have half the resources or brain power that the scientific community at large has. If we had ‘warp speed drives’ for example, those would not have been developed without some or most of the tech being proposed, studied, experimented with, in the open forums, again with publication and peer review.
I am not saying we know everything, but everything we observe, both here on Earth and as far as we can see into space is explained by laws or theorems of physics. Its the basis for everything we know from what we can build to our reasoning and thinking (for rational people anyway).
Take it to the bank, sir.
Not criticizing, just asking.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HybPD0VsFP0
(Rupert Sheldrake—The Science Delusion)
The “laws” of physics are human laws.
Laws were made to be broken.
I am a Christian in every sense of the word. What have I said that would make you ask?
Thats an ignorant thing to say. No offense intended but true.
The laws of physics are nature's laws, in fact God's laws. Man is only an observer trying to understand them.
His name is Zim as in Invader Zim!
If you don’t start getting his name right & show proper respect to this Irken representative. I’ll report you to the Almighty Tallest!
Pretty sure that God (and others who exist in His realm) can defy Newtonian physics at will...on Earth and elsewhere.
Now I am not saying that what Navy pilots are seeing on an almost daily basis are from the heavenly realm. I'm just saying that there's more under heaven than we can possibly imagine.
Listen to the Sheldrake link I gave you.
Nature does not have laws.
Once you get it you will be a much wiser person.
The belief in “laws of nature” is a Western cultural artifact.
It is very easy to confuse such cultural artifacts with “truth”.
Homo sapiens has made that error for many years, so you have a lot of company.
I dont think the ‘UFO’ stuff we have seen reported is daily. Its occasional.
Most of what has been shown is not actual camera video, but rather through a vision system like a IRDS, FLIR, or radar system. IRDS and FLIR are subject to atmospherics phenomena, moisture leaking into the tubes, sensor aging, etc.
All electronic vision systems have a design life as well. NOD’s are good for about 10,000 hours and then they wear out. If you operate those systems regularly (say 20 hours a week), you only get a few years and they they start ghosting or doing other annoying stuff.
Finally, radars can be spoofed. When you see unbelievable footage of an F-18 tracking something that starts turning right angles at mach 2, then someone is likely testing an electronic jammer/spoofer, and its working. What the pilot sees on his radar is a false track.
God can do anything he wants, but he created a universe that follows natural laws, IMO just like he wants us to follow his laws for us. Its ok for us to question the universe he has created, and we grow closer to understanding his wonder by doing so.
I’m waiting for Dr(s) Venkman, Stanz & Spengler to weigh in on this issue!
I really like the repeating paragraphs.
Focusing on “nuts and bolts” UFOs (many of which these days are indeed high tech or false data) is missing the really important stuff.
The important stuff is their impact on human beings.
Carl Jung wrote a wonderful book on this topic many years ago (long before modern tech muddied the waters):
https://www.amazon.com/Flying-Saucers-Modern-Things-Skies/dp/0691018227
Jacque Vallee wrote a masterpiece on the pre tech UFOs:
https://www.amazon.com/Passport-Magonia-Folklore-Parallel-Worlds/dp/0809237962
John Mack wrote the best book on the “alien abduction” issue:
https://www.amazon.com/Passport-Cosmos-John-Mack/dp/1907661816
This may take you out of your comfort zone—but by getting out of that zone you will discover amazing and wonderful stuff.
Terence McKenna described the UFOs that impact human beings as subverting materialistic science. He gave the analogy of the birth of Christianity during the days of the Roman Empire.
In the old Roman Empire every “respectable” intellectual believed in the Roman Gods. When they heard whispers of the servants of someone who rose from the dead they mocked such stories as primitive superstition. The Roman Empire was the greatest Empire in the history of the world and “truth” about the outside world had been discovered by its brilliant intellectuals.
We know how that story ended.
Human paradigms don’t just get nudged aside—they are overthrown by revolutions in belief systems.
Congress or the US military investigating UFOs would be like the Roman legislature and military in 50 A.D. investigating the truth of Christianity.
The whole idea is laughable on its face.
Exactly. Plus their are a billion people on the planet with cameras. Where are the pictures?
On this we can agree, perhaps for different reasons.
The important stuff is their impact on human beings.
or just as likely the distractions false reporting creates.
When I was young I read "Chariots of the gods", Roswell, and similar books that touted alien visitations. I also read Amityville Horror. All dis-proven now. As a youth, it was vogue to be 'open minded' about what has since been debunked. As an adult, we should be more discerning of such stuff that is there to basically enrich some author at the expense of gullible readers. Art Bell was 'entertainment' nothing more.
How long has Bigfoot been hiding now?
It is difficult to figure out when humans are just telling tall tales or accurately reflecting real experiences.
However, it is an intellectual error to dismiss all anecdotes as false.
That is one of the flaws of science. Science uses averages to reach conclusions, which means it has to dismiss outlying data.
That outlying data is tough to assimilate—but some small part of it will be the basis of future revolutions in human intellectual progress.
I am convinced that Terence McKenna, Rupert Sheldrake, Carl Jung, Jacque Vallee and John Mack are true intellectual giants—but are way ahead of their time.
They will be understood and appreciated by future generations.
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