Is there any EVIDENCE that old people should get the shot?

substack.com ^ | 4/30/2022 | Steve Kirsch

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Some people claim that if you are old with multiple comorbidities, you should get the shot. But where is the evidence? Apparently, it doesn't exist.

Steve Kirsch Apr 29

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Overview

1. Some people claim that elderly people with multiple comorbidities should take the COVID vaccines and boosters.

2. The all-cause mortality data required to make such claims should be readily available to the public but isn’t.

3. Nobody I know has seen any data that would justify these claims.

4. It is unethical to recommend vaccination in any age group without clear and compelling data of an all-cause risk-benefit. Where is the risk-benefit analysis?

5. If there was all-cause mortality data that supported the “safe and effective” narrative, it’s highly likely we’d all know about it.

6. This is more evidence of a very corrupt system that no one in the mainstream medical community or media finds objectionable.

Introduction

Slide 54 from “All you need to know” showing unfavorable risk-benefit ratio for vaccination of the elderly and a 3% death rate per dose

Among people who believe the vaccines are unsafe, there are still a few people who still believe it is recommended for older people.

Arguments that claim the vaccines are safe either mix timeframes or they ignore deaths from the vaccine

One doctor told me a story like the following, “I know of nursing homes where 30% of the residents died from COVID before the vaccines came out. And since we all know that the vaccines are 90% effective, even if the kill rate from the vaccine is 25% for the elderly, there is still a positive risk-benefit.”

Nope, that’s not convincing at all. There’s a lot of survivor bias here. If the first wave of COVID wiped out 30% of the elderly, then many of the people who remain are already immune from the virus. So giving them the shot at that point has likely no benefit at all, only downsides. For a fair comparison, we must compare the vaccinated vs. unvaccinated groups from the time the vaccines were first made available.

Other people just look at the death rates from COVID and claim that the per capita death rates are lower in people who have been boosted. Even if that were true, it’s irrelevant because it ignores the possibility the vaccine can kill people.

The VAERS data showed nobody should take the vaccine

When I looked at the VAERS data in October 2021, I found that the vaccines couldn’t be justified for any age group. Even if the vaccines worked as promised, they killed more people than they might have theoretically saved.

I’m open to being convinced I got it wrong, but nobody wants to show me any real-world data.

Here’s a comment from one of my readers (bold part is my emphasis):

At the very beginning of the injection campaigns which started in German nursing homes at the start of 2021, in some cases there were 25-35% deceased soon after each 'vaccination' campaign. Acu2020 (Reiner Fuellmich) interviewed a few whistleblowers from those places, it was really heartbreaking to listen to this. Elderly were dying alone, and families were not allowed to be with them. How long can we all stand for this, but most importantly, allow it to happen?

So we should not be ignoring the deaths caused by the vaccines. We need to be looking at what’s known as “all-cause mortality” which would factor in any deaths caused by the vaccine itself.

This is the data everyone needs to see: just two numbers

I’m not asking for a randomized trial. I’m just asking for the two numbers that are required to support the claims being made:

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People died in nursing homes because governors forced the homes to accept active Covid cases and then when the residents became ill, they were told to do nothing, not treated, until they needed hospitalization. Any treatment given likely Midazolam and or Remdesivir - both are disastrous and resulted in needless death.

If they had treated Covid like any other illness and allowed physicians to treat patients as they normally do, based on patient medical history, and not required nursing homes to accept actively ill people, and not killed patients with Midazolam and Remdesivir, none of this would look any different from any other year.

[eastexsteve]

People died in nursing homes because governors forced the homes to accept active Covid cases and then when the residents became ill..

No, that's not what happened in my town. A contract physical therapist who worked in all three nursing homes, and who was covid positive, brought it into the nursing homes. There was no known treatment or vaccine at the time. My daughter - a nurse - ran the covid unit in one of the homes. The local doctors finally came up with some treatment protocols that had some positive effect, but over the course of that first year, she still lost 19 residents to covid. When the vaccines became available, she stopped losing patients to covid.

[Chickensoup]

Do you know how many survived?

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The open question is whether young, healthy people should be taking the shot.

Posting garbage like this just makes it easier for authorities to crack down on people who disagree with them about that and about other matters.

[eastexsteve]

Do you know how many survived?

I don't remember the actual number, but once they came up with some treatments that worked, it came up to about half. This was all prior to the vaccines. But, once they had the vaccines, the covid deaths were nearly eliminated.

[LilFarmer]

My FIL’s facility had Covid brought in by a staffer and the only thing they did differently was to restrict outside visitors for two weeks. The residents still congregated in their commons and dining areas and outside. No one died. At his second facility (after vaccines rolled out) they had Covid go through, they locked residents in their rooms for three weeks and lost some. My FIL was one of a handful who didn’t get sick (he is unvaxxed).

I will tell you this - the hospice nurses taking care of my FIL now at our home are giving me an earful. There has been a flood of new hospice admissions and not due to Covid. One told me that young onset dementia is the majority of their new admits and it is very fast progressing. Add to that the shortage of nurses, they are stretched so thin and are wiped out. I have heard this same story from every single nurse, not just one. Every one of them regret getting the shot too. I have really gotten an earful. A healthy fit 32 year old CNA who visit weekly had a heart attack a few weeks back, shortly after getting her booster. Of course they aren’t linking it to the shot. You have to wonder how many of these potential adverse events like the CNA’s are never reported.

[Georgia Girl 2]

I’d say the evidence points to nobody getting the shot. 🙄

[MayflowerMadam]

Not re elderly, but females specifically, and emphasis on women in the military, who got the “vaccine”.

https://rumble.com/v12x3dd-dr.-wolf-covid-vaccines-and-pregnancy.html

[icclearly]

Should old people get the COVID drug??

NO!

I’m 77 have so-called comorbidities and never vaxed — and NEVER WILL BE!

[ducttape45]

I see that Novavax is now being allowed for use in Canada. Anyone have any updated medical data on it?

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No, that’s not what happened. Treatments were available. Doctors were prevented from implementing their normal off-label prescriptions only for ‘Covid’. Patients were denied access to suitable treatments and told to wait until they needed hospitalization - told to wait it was too late, generally speaking. Never before have sick people been denied all treatments, their doctors barred from even trying, pharmacists threatened for filling prescriptions.

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No updated info. It’s purified spike proteins harvested from moth cells. Bad news.