Is there any EVIDENCE that old people should get the shot?

substack.com ^ | 4/30/2022 | Steve Kirsch

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Some people claim that if you are old with multiple comorbidities, you should get the shot. But where is the evidence? Apparently, it doesn't exist.

Steve Kirsch Apr 29

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Overview

1. Some people claim that elderly people with multiple comorbidities should take the COVID vaccines and boosters.

2. The all-cause mortality data required to make such claims should be readily available to the public but isn’t.

3. Nobody I know has seen any data that would justify these claims.

4. It is unethical to recommend vaccination in any age group without clear and compelling data of an all-cause risk-benefit. Where is the risk-benefit analysis?

5. If there was all-cause mortality data that supported the “safe and effective” narrative, it’s highly likely we’d all know about it.

6. This is more evidence of a very corrupt system that no one in the mainstream medical community or media finds objectionable.

Introduction

Slide 54 from “All you need to know” showing unfavorable risk-benefit ratio for vaccination of the elderly and a 3% death rate per dose

Among people who believe the vaccines are unsafe, there are still a few people who still believe it is recommended for older people.

Arguments that claim the vaccines are safe either mix timeframes or they ignore deaths from the vaccine

One doctor told me a story like the following, “I know of nursing homes where 30% of the residents died from COVID before the vaccines came out. And since we all know that the vaccines are 90% effective, even if the kill rate from the vaccine is 25% for the elderly, there is still a positive risk-benefit.”

Nope, that’s not convincing at all. There’s a lot of survivor bias here. If the first wave of COVID wiped out 30% of the elderly, then many of the people who remain are already immune from the virus. So giving them the shot at that point has likely no benefit at all, only downsides. For a fair comparison, we must compare the vaccinated vs. unvaccinated groups from the time the vaccines were first made available.

Other people just look at the death rates from COVID and claim that the per capita death rates are lower in people who have been boosted. Even if that were true, it’s irrelevant because it ignores the possibility the vaccine can kill people.

The VAERS data showed nobody should take the vaccine

When I looked at the VAERS data in October 2021, I found that the vaccines couldn’t be justified for any age group. Even if the vaccines worked as promised, they killed more people than they might have theoretically saved.

I’m open to being convinced I got it wrong, but nobody wants to show me any real-world data.

Here’s a comment from one of my readers (bold part is my emphasis):

At the very beginning of the injection campaigns which started in German nursing homes at the start of 2021, in some cases there were 25-35% deceased soon after each 'vaccination' campaign. Acu2020 (Reiner Fuellmich) interviewed a few whistleblowers from those places, it was really heartbreaking to listen to this. Elderly were dying alone, and families were not allowed to be with them. How long can we all stand for this, but most importantly, allow it to happen?

So we should not be ignoring the deaths caused by the vaccines. We need to be looking at what’s known as “all-cause mortality” which would factor in any deaths caused by the vaccine itself.

This is the data everyone needs to see: just two numbers

I’m not asking for a randomized trial. I’m just asking for the two numbers that are required to support the claims being made:

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[AFreeBird]

Not quite sure exactly how quantify ”old”, but I figure I’m in the ballpark.

I never got the shot(s).

CDC/FDA pulling a vaccine out of their ass not much more than a year out of the gate, gave me pause.

Thus far, as far as I know, I’ve encountered sniffles, cough’s , runny nose, sore throat. No ‘Rona”.

Not to say I haven’t had it, let alone been exposed to it, but those are my ‘symptoms’ to date.

Still kicking.

[jimfr]

Someone, please explain to me why I would want to weaken my immune system with the vax when it is already compromised by old age or something else already.

[Carriage Hill]

I got the first two Pfizer shots on 3/6/21 & 3/27/21, the seasonal Flu shot on 8/28/21 and the Pfizer ‘booster’ on 11/2/21. No adverse effects since day one. Yet.

[ransomnote]

In the General/Chat forum, on a thread titled Is there any EVIDENCE that old people should get the shot?, House Atreides wrote:

You short-selling vaccine maker stocks?

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I don't have your sense of humor. I still don't think people dying needlessly is funny, but with you the 'vaccine' jokes and snarks just keep on coming. What's funny about toxin 'vaccines'?

[goodnesswins]

I’m part of the older folks cohort...been exposed directly at least 3 times in past year...take lots of supplements and try to eat/exercise right...have not yet gotten sick....I do think people are different...I had an intwresting virus in my 20s and have had Hashimotos so I’m not interested in getting a shot to challenge those. I know whats best for ME!

[aMorePerfectUnion]

[Clarancebeaks]

Old people are on government health programs, and Social Security. Most of them have a few bucks (life savings). Most own property, house, car, ect, free and clear. Most get some sort of pension after a lifetime of work. Yeah they should probably all get a death shot to get them the hell out of the way. Remember, “It’s for the greater good”. I think the government feels that way. More money for them to steal. Am I wrong?

[frnewsjunkie]

We older citizens are not apt to do what gov says we have to do.

Wiser....

I have not gotten the vax.. And mask wearers from day 1... To me.. Are sheep.

[The Duke]

She (and I) had the monoclonal antibody injections that were, before the Demos ended it, made available by the state of Florida every day of the week.

[Sicon]

Evidence? What do you think this is, 2019?!

[the OlLine Rebel]

Your mom almost same basics as mine.

I’m inclined to think, IF the vases worked well, and didn’t pose risks themselves, it would be best for elderly.

However, YMMV.

My mother: DEC. 2020. 84yo (now), COPD possibly just because of major double scoliosis imposing on her lungs. Frail and thin, but not really many problems officially. Hermit who doesn’t do anything, really. She was the first of my immediate circle to get COVID. She was fine. Had a cold, got over it in a week, no doctors except to discuss it televisit and get a test there.

My MIL: died Jan 6, 2021 (yes). Was 77 and quickly got pneumonia in a bad way and it killed her. Seemed very active and together and was organized and outgoing. But, definitely obese. Also had unknown coughing problem for about 2 years, and pre-diabetic, and apparently also took high BP meds (we didn’t know that). Half suspect she also suffered from living alone as no one was there to tell her she needed to be seen.

Also, my mom’s friend started the COVID round for us. She is like 88 now and had been obese, very disabled, but she had no problem with the disease.

Again, plenty elderly survive, just not as many as the “underage”.

So, cost-benefit is still questionable.

[frnewsjunkie]

Plus.. I do NOT trust a single thing the government of the United States tells me or reports anywhere.

In my years, they have become my enemy in trust... Sad to know I once thought well of them... And today not a one can be trusted... Corruption in everything in gov.. How else do they screw the public every day.

[the OlLine Rebel]

They also are the last truly proud American generation, pre-hippie.
Leftists love to get rid of them.

[roving]

If shots can kill the young, they can do the same to the old

[Republican Wildcat]

Even if the vaccines worked as promised, they killed more people than they might have theoretically saved. I’m open to being convinced I got it wrong, but nobody wants to show me any real-world data.

As ridiculous as it gets, folks. This data is easily available, or just ask any doctor or medical professional that has been treating actual COVID patients during the pandemic.

Then following-up using Stew Peters and Alex Jones as additional sources, and "whistleblowers" reporting events that didn't occur.

Constant, shameless nonsense.

[TianaHighrider]

Thank you. I am Trying to be vigilant. My Dad and I are strongly against the clotshot. And we are doing our best to stay informed.

[eastexsteve]

Look at the numbers of people in nursing homes that died from covid before the vaccines. Then, look at the numbers after. As bad as the vaccines might be for other groups, it minimized deaths in nursing homes. At least, it did in our three local nursing homes.

[The Duke]

I have read a couple a couple of articles over the past 2-3 weeks that have descried a strong correlation between severe COVID cases and a deficiency of vitamin D. I think this is something worth researching.

Also, the action of zinc + quercetin.

[TianaHighrider]

👍

[WWG1WWA]

Amen