Posted on 04/29/2022 5:25:20 PM PDT by foundedonpurpose
The USA just gave Russia an excuse to seize all of Ukraine
Abraham Stein Apr 25
The United States has just given Russia a valid reason to take complete control of all Ukraine. Today, Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin and Diplomat Anthony Blinken paid a visit to the Ukrainian president Zelensky in Kyiv, it was their first visit with Joe Biden as American President. The visit made it clear that the United States is directly involved in the conflict with the Russians, and the comments from Secretary of Defense Austin makes it abundantly clear that only a full Russian takeover of Ukraine will bring peace. A partial Russian takeover will produce more war.
Weaken Russia
Austin is the leader of the United Sates military and he made it very clear what the U.S. intends to do in Ukraine.
“We want to see Russia weakened to the degree that it can’t do the kinds of things that it has done in invading Ukraine,” Austin said at the news conference. “So it has already lost a lot of military capability. And a lot of its troops, quite frankly. And we want to see them not have the capability to very quickly reproduce that capability.”
Austin’s words can be read as a direct admission of war between the United States and Russia, it is obvious there will be no peace in the region unless the Kremlin controls all of Ukraine. The United States is throwing fuel on the fire, they have given an unstable hothead (Ukraine president Zelensky) a free reign to do as he pleases. Zelensky is not seeking peace, he is an egoist demanding ever increasing ransom money from the United States and heavy weapons. No amount of money will ever satisfy Zelensky, the U.S has made the mistake of getting in bed with the Ukrainian president, now they are stuck with him. Lloyd Austin and Anthony Blinken told the American people last year that all was well in Afghanistan and that the Taliban was “no threat” to the Afghan army, they were dumbfoundedly wrong. Austin and Blinken appear to be wrong again in Ukraine.
Austin words today might be read by the Kremlin as a direct threat to Russia, in all the years of cold war between Russian President Putin and the United States, Putin has never said that he wanted to “weaken the United States militarily”. It is clear the U.S is going in for a long war, which could trigger a nuclear response from one side.
All or nothing
For 70 years Ukraine was ruled by the Soviet Union and the region was at virtual peace.
The words today from Anthony Blinken, while not as direct as Austin, was also highly disrespectful.
He said, according to the BBC: "The bottom line is this. We don't how the rest of this war will unfold, but we do know that a sovereign, independent Ukraine will be around a lot longer than Vladimir Putin is on the scene. And our support for Ukraine going forward will continue and it will continue until we see final success."
Blinken words made it clear that the age of American-Russian diplomacy is finished, he made it clear that war will continue, and the only option is for Ukraine to win. The meeting today left no plans hidden, it is clear the Russian federation must take all of Ukraine, it is the only way to assure peace. Ukraine was under the Soviet Union for 70 years and there was never the threat of world war, as it is today with Ukraine under NATO control. A rogue, untamed, Western controlled Ukraine led by an erratic Zelensky makes the whole world unsafe. Zelensky and NATO will never stop pushing for conflict, unless Russia seizes all of Ukraine there is a real threat of Zelensky triggering world war 3.
Which is good, but Austin's woklitary is not.
"Austin’s words can be read as a direct admission of war between the United States and Russia,"
Nothing new. Korea, Vietnam, now China.
"it is obvious there will be no peace in the region unless the Kremlin controls all of Ukraine. "
Indeed: peace under a lustful invader/oppressor (who would ban FR as he outlaws evangelicals being evangelical) who demands submission of the West in order for have lasting peace.
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"Detonation hoses (for demining) against residential buildings - the Russian war crimes in Ukraine are limitless"
"Russian forces claim to have shot down "another" Byraktar TB-2 "when it tried to enter Russia". Could be re-used images from one of the incidents over the past days though."
"Ukrainian forces liberated Russka Losova, north of Kharkiv city, according to official information."
"The Ukrainian army liberated Kutuzivka near Kharkiv city shortly ago."
And you forgot to include what your source said just after his post "Today is another grim day for Ukraine.."
"Seeing that Russian propagandists are using this tweet to claim, "even Germans know, Ukraine will lose". Actually, nope. Ukraine will win this war. These are the last (maybe 30) days of Russian advances. The Russian army will be defeated inside Ukraine, if Kyiv keeps fighting."
Why did you only quote the first half of Mr. Roepcke's tweets? Why didn't you share his complete idea, that Russia would be defeated?
Why do people keep posting that exact same sentence here on FR? Do they somehow all imagine the same sentence and then post it? Or are they trying to repeat a talking point?
Use your brain, don't be fooled by propaganda.
Just cast them off like rubbish when they start their crap. They get enjoyment out of getting people to respond when they call everyone who doesn’t agree with them a Putin Propagandist or half a dozen other names.....generally just one line wonders with nothing to offer.
Oh, and Jane how do you know where some other poster is posting from?
Looks like YOU’RE the one being ‘fooled by propaganda’.
How do we know where YOU are posting from, posterior poster?
It’s advantageous if people stop posting twitter posts and find better resources.
So show me a link to real data that shows I am wrong.
Sounds like the reasons of liberals, as it is utterly ignores that Venezuela has no need of Russian aid to protect it from the US - which country saved them from speaking German or Russian - while the reason for NATO is that Russia has been a military threat to former countries it once ruled, and those it would if it could. But maybe you want to defend Stalin and successors.
NATO countries like the map they have now better than an older one.
https://countrymapss.blogspot.com/2014/01/nato-countries-map-1949.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_occupations_by_the_Soviet_Union
Russia has a history of repeated invasions of other countries as well as military assistance against the West, and not in order to liberate and rebuild them as with the US. Thus NATO is warranted, and Putin - who longs for Soviet glory - has simply provided more evidence as to why, while insolently playing victim.
Countries invaded [including interventions or military assistance like Vietnam] by Soviet Russia, the Soviet Union, and the Russian Federation
Estonia 1917
Latvia 1918
Lithuania 1918
Finland 1918
Poland 1918
Belarus 1918
Ukraine 1918
Georgia 1920
Azerbaijan 1920
Armenia 1920
Moldova 1918
Central Asia 1918
Mongolia 1921
Georgia 1924
Estonia 1924
Afghanistan 1929
China 1929
Japan 1938
Poland 1939
Finland 1939
Estonia 1940
Latvia 1940
Lithuania 1940
Romania 1940
Iran 1942 (Joint Soviet-British invasion)
Ukraine and Belarus 1944
Bulgaria 1944
Hungary 1944
Yugoslavia 1944
Albania 1944
Poland 1944
The Baltic States 1944
Germany 1944 [with the West]
Tuva 1944
Japan 1945
China 1945
Korea 1950
East Germany 1953
Hungary 1956
Vietnam 1960
Czechoslovakia 1968
China 1969
Israel 1969
Ethiopia 1974
Angola 1975
Afghanistan 1979 Georgia 1989
Baltic States 1990
Georgia 1991
Azerbaijan 1991
Moldova 1992
Tajikistan 1992 Northern Caucasus 1992 [Chechnya, etc.]
War of Dagestan 1999 Second Chechen War 1999–2009
Georgia 2008
Insurgency in the North Caucasus 2009–2017
Ukraine 2014
Syria 2015
Central African Republic Civil War 2018–present
Ukraine 2022
Sources: https://www.numbers-stations.com/articles/soviet-and-russian-invasions-since-1917/; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_involving_Russia
You’re the one who made the claim. YOU show the link, showing that poster is wrong. And, not DS provided links.
See? That’s how this works. You make a drive by claim...YOU post a link to back it up.
Then....we go from there.
You jumped right in, with location insults, to that poster.
Actually you are incorrect. Some of the best evidence of what is actually happening appears first on Twitter or Telegram. Just about all of the opinions and news you are reading appears first on Twitter or Telegram. That includes images taken by fighters on both sides, which show exactly what happened at particular places at particular moments.
Sometimes people try to create fake images, like the drone wreckage that was apparently moved and used to try to suggest that two TB2 drones had been shot down, so discernment is important, but more can be learned from actual reports than the opinions of people trying to sway public opinion.
Show her real data to show that your right.
Wrong ...there’s no way to confirm those and rare anyone does so. It’s easy to find a twitter poster who states and shows what you want supported. You cannot confirm their photos either....as we’ve seen debunked many times.
So no twitter isn’t a reliable source - it only gives people a place to start to research further and few if ever go any further.
That is precisely what I don’t understand in the current debate: those that side whole-heartily with Ukraine seem to completely ignore the Russian side of the conflict. They don’t understand Russia’s motivation, so they think that Russia is simply acting irrationally. Russia is not acting irrationally, they are acting precisely how a rational world or regional power would act when pressed.
As I’ve said before, we chose this fight when we overthrew the legitimately-elected government of Ukraine back in 2014. We wanted this, we thought we could win this. Perhaps we can, but right now I don’t see the powers that being up to challenge.
Indeed. East Germany was "at virtual peace" also, with a Wall for security to protect them from freedom. It is grievous to see so many shills for Putin propaganda, who somehow see invader Putin the victim. Not Christians:
Across all three waves of ISSP data, no more than about one-in-ten Russians said they attend religious services at least once a month. And it is Putin who boasts of his power to destroy America, and helps its enemies, including seeking an alliance with China. Liberals oppose him due to his anti-LGBTQ stance and favoring Trump and being a threat to their dominance, while traditional conservatives - at least non-RO Christians who expressing of faith Putin outlawed - overall oppose Putin due to him being the actual threat to our faith and freedoms.
Putin may be an instrument of Divine chastisement of America, and which should commend Putin's opposition to the LGBTQ agenda, but he is the dictator of corrupt government and which persecutes the most conservative Christians, evangelicals, even outlawing any evangelism by them at all.
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Moscow church destroyed in sign of new Russian repression Posted on Sep 26, 2012 | by Jill Nelson
MOSCOW (BP) -- It was in the early hours of the morning on Sept. 6 when Pastor Vasili Romanyuk's phone rang. A group of men backed by local police were demolishing his Holy Trinity Pentecostal Church, housed in a three-story building nestled in a Moscow suburb. As word spread, congregants arrived at the scene hoping to save the building, but their efforts were futile. By dawn the church was in ruins and some of its most valuable contents were missing.
An isolated incident? A misunderstanding? Analysts watching the current climate in the former Cold War country don't think so: "This destruction of the church is about as concrete of evidence as you can get that something very bad and very troubling is taking place," said Katrina Lantos Swett, chair of the U.S. Commission on International Religious Freedom. "This could not have happened without the backing, support, and implicit blessing of the police."
The incident is just one sign of deteriorating freedoms in Russia, and behind the scenes a cozy relationship between the Kremlin and the Russian Orthodox Church has raised more than a few eyebrows. As President Vladimir Putin digs into his third term, a number of Kremlin crackdowns involving vague interpretations of the country's extremism law and other human-rights abuses are troubling signs that the country has slipped into a familiar, repressive era.
"When you have unknown people backed by the police coming out at midnight to begin tearing down a church, you know something doesn't smell right," Lantos Swett said.
Officials evicted Holy Trinity Church from its original building in 1995 and relocated the church to the eastern Moscow suburb. The congregation used its own funds to construct a new building and repeatedly battled officials over permits. The church demolition and its history reflect an emerging pattern: Authorities confiscate land from non-favored religious communities and force the congregation to relocate to a remote suburb, the religious leaders apply for permits that are subsequently denied, and officials confiscate (once again) or demolish the relocated congregation, citing lack of proper documentation.
Pastor Romanyuk and a small group of the church's 550 congregants arrived on site around 3:30 a.m. as about 45 men claiming to be civil volunteers blocked them from the building and threw stones. "When I arrived, I just burst into tears," 25-year-old Natalya Cherevichinik told The Moscow Times as she surveyed the destruction. "I couldn't believe that something that had been built over several years could be destroyed in a few hours."
Russian Evangelicals Leery of Orthodox Church, Friday, December 30, 2011:
class="adjusted">MOSCOW, Russia -- For decades, the Russian Orthodox Church was persecuted under the Soviet Union's Communist Party.
Since the early 1990s, the church has grown in size and influence as its relationship with the Russian government has improved significantly.
However, that cozy relationship worries the country's evangelicals.
Threats Against Evangelicals
For eight years, Yuri Sipko ran one of the largest Baptist organizations in Russia. Now, 20 years after the fall of Communism, he worries about the growing threats against the country's evangelical movement.
"The collapse of Communism was supposed to usher in an era of greater religious freedom, but I'm concerned we are moving in the wrong direction," Sipko said.
What makes the Russian evangelicals very concerned is an emerging relationship between the Russian government and the Russian Orthodox Church.
"For example, the government recently introduced religious classes based on the principals of the Orthodox Church in public schools," Sipko said.
"Then late last year, the Russian president announced an initiative to appoint Orthodox chaplains to all army units," he said. "Our constitution clearly states no religion can be the state religion."
Russia Church-State Relations
Russia watchers credit two men, Prime Minister Vladimir Putin and President Dmitry Medvedev, for elevating the church's prominence. The state media has also played a key role, often showing the leaders attending church services.
Sergey Ryakhovski knows both men well. As head of Russia's Pentecostal Union, he meets regularly with top government and Orthodox Church leaders.
Ryakhovski worries that the Orthodox Church's influence is coming at the expense of religious freedom, especially for minority groups such as Christians, Jews, Muslims, and Buddhists.
"There are so many laws and by-laws that regulate religious life in Russia," Ryakhovski said. "For example, evangelical Christians just can't go out and buy a church building or buy a piece of land to build a church."
"Plus, criticizing or challenging the Orthodox Church is not a task for all," he added.
Orthodox Church Revival
The Russian Orthodox Church on the other hand has had it easy in recent times after decades of state persecution.
Church buildings that were destroyed during the Soviet era have been rebuilt with Russian taxpayer money. In the past 20 years, the government has spent hundreds of millions of dollars restoring some 23,000 churches.
Most Russians say they belong to the Orthodox Church. Yet CBN News found mixed reactions on the streets of Moscow to the growing bond between church and state
At Expense of All Others, Putin Picks a Church
By CLIFFORD J. LEVY Published: April 24, 2008
STARY OSKOL, Russia —
It was not long after a Methodist church put down roots here that the troubles began.
First came visits from agents of the F.S.B., a successor to the K.G.B., who evidently saw a threat in a few dozen searching souls who liked to huddle in cramped apartments to read the Bible and, perhaps, drink a little tea. Local officials then labeled the church a “sect.” Finally, last month, they shut it down.
There was a time after the fall of Communism when small Protestant congregations blossomed here in southwestern Russia, when a church was almost as easy to set up as a general store. Today, this industrial region has become emblematic of the suppression of religious freedom under President Vladimir V. Putin.
Just as the government has tightened control over political life, so, too, has it intruded in matters of faith. The Kremlin’s surrogates in many areas have turned the Russian Orthodox Church into a de facto official religion, warding off other Christian denominations that seem to offer the most significant competition for worshipers. They have all but banned proselytizing by Protestants and discouraged Protestant worship through a variety of harassing measures, according to dozens of interviews with government officials and religious leaders across Russia.
Russia's De-Facto State Religion : Persecution : http://www ... www.persecution.org/?p=9350&upm... International Christian Co... Putin frequently appears with the Orthodox head, Patriarch Aleksei II, ... Baptists, evangelicals, Pentecostals and many others who cut Christ's robes like bandits, ...
Government Returning Land to Religious Organizations to Favor Orthodox Tuesday, March 3rd, 2009: An ambitious draft law on the transfer of property of religious significance to religious organisations may reignite a process begun in 1993.
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I think it is painful to come to the realization that your government (and media) have been lying to you about almost everything. But, anyone who comes to this subject with an objective mind quickly finds out how misled we have been.
Russia is not the bad guy...WE ARE!
We are responsible for this unnecessary war and we are going to reap the whirlwind from it...:-(
At least unti after the mid term elections. The cranking up the ‘remember the Maine’ sort of bloody shirt waving has not been seen since 1917. Surely the administration must in part be hoping the Ukraine can provide distraction from explosive inflation and fuel prices and mute the losses in November. If the Dems can keep control of one house their short term goals will be achieved. While the expansion of NATO will go on Washington may shift towards substantive negotiations in the Ukraine and push for at least a limited ceasefire. The big question is how much the war will escalate during the May to September campaigning season. A real deterioration in Kiev’s position in the Donbass and heavy air and missile strikes is going to make an attempt at some sort of no fly zone difficult for Washington to avoid. The pattern in wars is towards escalating upwards until finding some equilibrium, but at a much higher level.
You need better sources.
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