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To: BrexitBen; x; Homer_J_Simpson
BrexitBen: "If Lincoln, Wilson, LBJ, and Biden had not been elected, we would’ve avoided four, terrible, bloody, unnecessary wars."

In 1856 Democrats united behind Doughfaced Northerner James Buchanan and so kept Republicans as the minority party.
In 1860 Democrat Fire Eaters made certain that could not happen again, split their majority Democrat party and so gave victory to Lincoln's minority "Black Republicans".
Democrats then used Lincoln's election as their excuse for secession and war against the United States.

In 1912 the situation was reversed -- Teddy Roosevelt split his majority Republican party and so elected Southern Democrat Woodrow Wilson.
Wilson stayed out of the First World War as long as he could, but arguably, had Wilson remained neutral, then Germany would have won that war and so likely there would be no Second World War, certainly not with Corporal Hitler in charge.

But is that really the world you'd want -- Confederate slavers rule over the Southern Golden Circle, while the old Kaiser-Reich rules over continental Europe?

Finally, in 1964 Republicans effectively split over civil rights, giving a landslide victory to Texas Democrat Lyndon Johnson.
Johnson, responding to Republican criticisms of "weak on Communism" in Vietnam expanded the American military role there.
It's not at all clear that, had Goldwater won in 1964, he would have done substantially different than Johnson did in terms of numbers of troops, though perhaps with somewhat different tactics.

8 posted on 04/18/2022 5:14:41 AM PDT by BroJoeK (future DDG 134 -- we remember)
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To: BroJoeK
Wilson (and Hughes who ran against him in 1916) had grandparents who were born in the British Isles. Many other Americans had similar attachments to the UK. Maybe if that hadn't been the case we could have been more neutral and avoided the war, but financial and sentimental ties were probably too close to prevent that.

TR was a lot more warlike than Wilson and was eager to go over and fight and even command troops in battle himself. I have no idea what he would have done if he'd been elected. Because Wilson seemed to many people to have been a patient man, he probably got more support when he finally did go to war than an impulsive Roosevelt would have gotten.

9 posted on 04/18/2022 5:23:05 AM PDT by x
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