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To: Cronos

“At NATO’s borders since 1999”!?!

Yeah right, as NATO hegemony has been moving east up to the Russian border since 1991. Remember NATO and DC’s promise of “not one inch east” of the East German border. Man, you have to make up a little more sellable BS than that reply. You have to remember, what Biden sells his hinterland stooges doesn’t work on people with functioning brains. “At NATO’s border”, what a globalist useful idiot. Keep the comedy coming, you’ve found something you’re good at.


16 posted on 02/15/2023 4:19:08 PM PST by hardspunned (Former DC GOP globalist stooge)
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To: hardspunned
headspunned Yeah right, as NATO hegemony has been moving east up to the Russian border since 1991.

NATO is an alliance of countries, so not a hegemony.

Furthermore, why did Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, Slovakia, Czech republic etc. join NATO?

Because Russia was and is (under Putin) a threat.

If Russia was not a threat, then NATO would not have people clamoring to be members

headspunned Remember NATO and DC’s promise of “not one inch east” of the East German border. --> Why do you keep repeating this lie?

17 posted on 02/16/2023 1:41:14 AM PST by Cronos
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To: hardspunned
>headspunned Remember NATO and DC’s promise of “not one inch east” of the East German border. --> Why do you keep repeating this lie?

Russia was not told nor promised anything of the sort.
- the USSR was discussing with the USA, France and the UK about allowing the Germanies to reunite. Note: the USSR, not Russia
- the USSR was told not NATO troops in Eastern Germany.
- at that point in 1989, the Soviet bloc was still around and there was every indication it would last a long time more, do NATO moving into those areas was not dreamed of by either side nor discussed.
- so no promise was made to “Russia” about Poland, the Baltic etc joining NATO as it was not even a dream at that point
- Gorbachev himself said that mo such promise was made

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/up-front/2014/11/06/did-nato-promise-not-to-enlarge-gorbachev-says-no/

Gorbachev and the documents show ZERO promise not to enlarge

Russia behind the Headlines has published an interview with Gorbachev, who was Soviet president during the discussions and treaty negotiations concerning German reunification. The interviewer asked why Gorbachev did not “insist that the promises made to you [Gorbachev]—particularly U.S. Secretary of State James Baker’s promise that NATO would not expand into the East—be legally encoded?” Gorbachev replied: “The topic of ‘NATO expansion’ was not discussed at all, and it wasn’t brought up in those years. … Another issue we brought up was discussed: making sure that NATO’s military structures would not advance and that additional armed forces would not be deployed on the territory of the then-GDR after German reunification. Baker’s statement was made in that context… Everything that could have been and needed to be done to solidify that political obligation was done. And fulfilled.”

18 posted on 02/16/2023 1:49:28 AM PST by Cronos
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